Browser usage by useragent

Els wrote:
> Norman L. DeForest wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 25 Oct 2005, Toby Inkster wrote:
>>
>>> C A Upsdell wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have Opera 8.50 and there is no ua.ini, default or otherwise, so
>>>> it would seem that Opera has not yet implemented this feature.
>>>
>>> Check your *profile* directory -- not the program directory.
>>>
>>> If you're on UNIX, this is "~/.opera/". If you're on Windows, I
>>> don't know where it would be -- probably somewhere in
>>> "C:\Windows\Profiles\USERNAME" or "C:\Documents and
>>> Settings\USERNAME" depending on Windows version.
>>
>> It looks from my system that the "profile" directory is created as a
>> subdirectory of where Opera was installed. On my Windows 98 machine,
>> I chose to install Opera in the "E:\Opera" directory. "ua.ini" is at
>> "E:\Opera\profile\ua.ini".
>
> On WinXP, I installed Opera in P:\....\Opera, but the profile
> directory, including the ua.ini, is still on the C: drive.

In Application Data?

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Allis wrote:

> Els wrote:
>> Norman L. DeForest wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 25 Oct 2005, Toby Inkster wrote:
>>>
>>>> C A Upsdell wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I have Opera 8.50 and there is no ua.ini, default or otherwise, so
>>>>> it would seem that Opera has not yet implemented this feature.
>>>>
>>>> Check your *profile* directory -- not the program directory.
>>>>
>>>> If you're on UNIX, this is "~/.opera/". If you're on Windows, I
>>>> don't know where it would be -- probably somewhere in
>>>> "C:\Windows\Profiles\USERNAME" or "C:\Documents and
>>>> Settings\USERNAME" depending on Windows version.
>>>
>>> It looks from my system that the "profile" directory is created as a
>>> subdirectory of where Opera was installed. On my Windows 98 machine,
>>> I chose to install Opera in the "E:\Opera" directory. "ua.ini" is at
>>> "E:\Opera\profile\ua.ini".
>>
>> On WinXP, I installed Opera in P:\....\Opera, but the profile
>> directory, including the ua.ini, is still on the C: drive.
>
> In Application Data?

Yup, as per my other post:
C:\Documents and Settings\[windows username if any]\Application
Data\Opera\Opera\profile\ua.ini

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On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 14:48:02 -0400, C A Upsdell wrote:

> Norman L. DeForest wrote:
>> On Tue, 25 Oct 2005, Toby Inkster wrote:
>>
>>>C A Upsdell wrote:
>>>
>>>>I have Opera 8.50 and there is no ua.ini, default or otherwise, so it
>>>>would seem that Opera has not yet implemented this feature.
>>>
>>>Check your *profile* directory -- not the program directory.
>>>
>>>If you're on UNIX, this is "~/.opera/". If you're on Windows, I don't know
>>>where it would be -- probably somewhere in "C:\Windows\Profiles\USERNAME"
>>>or "C:\Documents and Settings\USERNAME" depending on Windows version.
>>
>>
>> It looks from my system that the "profile" directory is created as a
>> subdirectory of where Opera was installed. On my Windows 98 machine,
>> I chose to install Opera in the "E:\Opera" directory. "ua.ini" is at
>> "E:\Opera\profile\ua.ini".
>
> I have a similar profile directory ... but no ua.ini.

Do a search on the WHOLE computer which means choose 'local harddrives' in
search. 'My documents..' folder will reside in the same partition where
your OS is installed, regardless where the application in installed.


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On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 13:59:06 -0400, C A Upsdell wrote:

> Els wrote:
>> Els wrote:
>>
>>>C A Upsdell wrote:
>>>
>>>>Toby Inkster wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>C A Upsdell wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>I have Opera 8.50 and there is no ua.ini, default or otherwise, so it
>>>>>>would seem that Opera has not yet implemented this feature.
>>>>>
>>>>>Check your *profile* directory -- not the program directory.
>>>>>
>>>>>If you're on Windows, I don't know
>>>>>where it would be -- probably somewhere in "C:\Windows\Profiles\USERNAME"
>>>>>or "C:\Documents and Settings\USERNAME" depending on Windows version.
>>>>
>>>>Could not locate any 'profile' directory.
>>>
>>>C:\Documents and Settings\[windows username if any]\Application
>>>Data\Opera\Opera\profile\ua.ini
>>
>> Forgot to mention: "Application Data" normally is an invisible folder.
>
> Still can not locate such a directory.
>
> Also, my previous point is still valid: "such spoofing would only be
> done if the site does not handle Opera correctly: a site which does
> handle Opera correctly would not be spoofed via ua.ini, therefore the
> userAgent for that site will certainly contain 'Opera', and a browser
> sniffer will reliably identify the browser."

No one here has yet to give life examples of why one would mess around with
the user agent setting. The only time I can think of is if a site indicates
it's optimized for IE and it doesn't display properly in Opera. Even then
Opera might still have problems.

There were incidents when a few MS sites 'deliberately' used invalid CSS
files for Opera. The Swedish cook Opera spoof.


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C A Upsdell wrote:
> GreyWyvern wrote:
>> And lo, C A Upsdell didst speak in alt.www.webmaster:
>>
>>> [Opera profile directory]
>>>
>>> Still can not locate such a directory.
>>
>> You have Opera open now? Type "opera:about" into the address bar.
>>
>> Your "Preferences", "Saved windows", and "Bookmarks" should all be
>> pointing to folders within your profile directory.
>
> Okay, found it (finally!).

Where was it? :-)

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Karim wrote

> No one here has yet to give life examples of why one would mess around
> with the user agent setting. The only time I can think of is if a site
> indicates it's optimized for IE and it doesn't display properly

At least two people gave that example.

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Charles Sweeney wrote:

> Els wrote
>
>> C A Upsdell wrote:
>>> GreyWyvern wrote:
>>>> Your "Preferences", "Saved windows", and "Bookmarks" should all be
>>>> pointing to folders within your profile directory.
>>>
>>> Okay, found it (finally!).
>>
>> Where was it? :-)
>
> At the back of the kitchen drawer would be my guess.

The kitchen drawer in Application Data, or the one in E:\Opera ?

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