Browser usage by useragent

SpaceGirl wrote:
> Toby Inkster wrote:
>
>> The option is not available in the GUI, but can be switched on through
>> opera6.ini, or through ua.ini on a site-by-site basis. The default
>> ua.ini provided upon installation turns on true spoofing for a few
>> sites.
>
> Well it's meaningless then. How many users actually know how to switch
> that on or are likely to switch it on? It's hardly even worth bringing
> up.

If you read my post, you'd see that I said that ua.ini switches on true
spoofing *by default* for many sites on a site-by-site basis.

I am a die-hard Opera customiser, but have never felt the need to change
ua.ini -- so I'd imagine that most other Opera users haven't either. Thus
most Opera users must use true spoofing on some sites.

It's not a matter of "how many users actually know how to switch [...] it
on?", but how many actually know how to switch it *off*.

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GreyWyvern wrote:
> And lo, SpaceGirl didst speak in alt.www.webmaster:
>
>> Toby Inkster wrote:
>>
>>> Brian Wakem wrote:
>>>
>>>> Charles Sweeney wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Bear in mind also that Opera for one can identify itself as IE,
>>>>> which is normally how I have it set.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It still has 'Opera' in the string somewhere, that is what I tested
>>>> for.
>>>
>>>
>>> Since version 8.0 there is a "true spoofing" mode that allows it to
>>> spoof IE 6 and Netscape 3.0, 4.78 and 5.0 without "Opera" in the User-
>>> Agent header at all!
>>> The option is not available in the GUI, but can be switched on through
>>> opera6.ini, or through ua.ini on a site-by-site basis. The default
>>> ua.ini provided upon installation turns on true spoofing for a few
>>> sites.
>>
>>
>> Well it's meaningless then. How many users actually know how to
>> switch that on or are likely to switch it on? It's hardly even worth
>> bringing up.
>
>
> As of version 9.0 (currently in Preview), it can be easily done through
> the opera:config UI. Just scroll down to "User Agent" and select 4 or
> 5. Agents 1 to 3 are the Opera-tagged strings.
>
> Grey
>

Nobody except a techie WOULD though... which rules out almost everyone
who visits the web. The vast majority of people online these days are
not geeks So really, Opera pretending to be IE is not something to
loose sleep over.

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Toby Inkster wrote:
> SpaceGirl wrote:
>
>>Toby Inkster wrote:
>>
>>
>>>The option is not available in the GUI, but can be switched on through
>>>opera6.ini, or through ua.ini on a site-by-site basis. The default
>>>ua.ini provided upon installation turns on true spoofing for a few
>>>sites.
>>
>>Well it's meaningless then. How many users actually know how to switch
>>that on or are likely to switch it on? It's hardly even worth bringing
>>up.
>
>
> If you read my post, you'd see that I said that ua.ini switches on true
> spoofing *by default* for many sites on a site-by-site basis.
>
> I am a die-hard Opera customiser, but have never felt the need to change
> ua.ini -- so I'd imagine that most other Opera users haven't either. Thus
> most Opera users must use true spoofing on some sites.
>
> It's not a matter of "how many users actually know how to switch [...] it
> on?", but how many actually know how to switch it *off*.
>

By default (as far as I can see in MY version of Opera) it still says
"Opera" in the string.

If Opera HAVE done that in version 9 it would be a pretty stupid thing
to do if you ask me. Every browser has its quirks (Opera and Firefox
included) and making browsers pretend to be something else is a tad daft.

Opera 8 is my second browser BTW... I love it!

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Toby Inkster wrote:
> SpaceGirl wrote:
>>
>>>The option is not available in the GUI, but can be switched on through
>>>opera6.ini, or through ua.ini on a site-by-site basis. The default
>>>ua.ini provided upon installation turns on true spoofing for a few
>>>sites.

I have Opera 8.50 and there is no ua.ini, default or otherwise, so it
would seem that Opera has not yet implemented this feature.

>>Well it's meaningless then. How many users actually know how to switch
>>that on or are likely to switch it on? It's hardly even worth bringing
>>up.
>
> If you read my post, you'd see that I said that ua.ini switches on true
> spoofing *by default* for many sites on a site-by-site basis.

But surely such spoofing would only be done if the site does not handle
Opera correctly: a site which does handle Opera correctly would not be
spoofed via ua.ini, therefore the userAgent for that site will certainly
contain 'Opera', and a browser sniffer will reliably identify the browser.

C A Upsdell wrote:

> I have Opera 8.50 and there is no ua.ini, default or otherwise, so it
> would seem that Opera has not yet implemented this feature.

Check your *profile* directory -- not the program directory.

If you're on UNIX, this is "~/.opera/". If you're on Windows, I don't know
where it would be -- probably somewhere in "C:\Windows\Profiles\USERNAME"
or "C:\Documents and Settings\USERNAME" depending on Windows version.

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SpaceGirl wrote:

> If Opera HAVE done that in version 9 it would be a pretty stupid thing
> to do if you ask me.

Phew! Lucky they did it in version 8.

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Toby Inkster wrote:
> C A Upsdell wrote:
>
>>I have Opera 8.50 and there is no ua.ini, default or otherwise, so it
>>would seem that Opera has not yet implemented this feature.
>
> Check your *profile* directory -- not the program directory.
>
> If you're on Windows, I don't know
> where it would be -- probably somewhere in "C:\Windows\Profiles\USERNAME"
> or "C:\Documents and Settings\USERNAME" depending on Windows version.

Could not locate any 'profile' directory.