IE and a mind of its own :(

10-21-2005, 01:02

Hello Group.

I am trying to get me site out of frames as suggested by many of you.
I have managed this except for one tiny ****che in IE.

On all pages opened in IE, if I close them up, as with making the page
narrow by dragging the right side in., anything on the right side drops down
under the menu on the left side.
Mozilla, FF and Netscape are all fine and hold the page together nicely and
close up as should without distorting the layout.

I have posted both css and a demo index page here.

http://wairoa.net/temp/wairoa.css
http://wairoa.net/temp/index.htm

Just op[en index.htm up in IE, drag the right side in and you will see what
I mean ( I hope )
How may I fix the right side ( div.content ) to stay put in IE

Any help would be appreciated, I have been going around in circles for a
week or so but nothing seems to work.

Many thanks
Jenny

10-21-2005, 01:02

In our last episode, Jenny <jcaughey@xtra.co.nz> pronounced to
alt.www.webmaster:

> How may I fix the right side ( div.content ) to stay put in IE

Try using a doctype that triggers Standards mode instead of Quirks mode.
At the moment you are relying on the browser's error-correction
mechanism, which differs from browser to browser - even more than their
implementations of the standards. :-)

More info:
http://gutfeldt.ch/matthias/articles/doctypeswitch.html

> Any help would be appreciated, I have been going around in circles for a
> week or so but nothing seems to work.

A couple of other comments:

You will need to remove all the target attributes from your links - at
the moment almost all of them try to open in a new window.

Try increasing the font size in your browser (Firefox here) a few
notches and have a look at your menu.

Nice photo, BTW. :-)

--
Mark Parnell
http://clarkecomputers.com.au

10-21-2005, 01:02

In our last episode, Mark Parnell <webmaster@clarkecomputers.com.au>
pronounced to alt.www.webmaster:

> Try using a doctype that triggers Standards mode instead of Quirks mode.

Sorry, should have said - use HTML 4.01, not HTML 4 - 4.01 was an update
of 4 (mostly correcting errors), released in 1999.
http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/appendix/....html#19991224

--
Mark Parnell
http://clarkecomputers.com.au

10-21-2005, 05:00

Jenny wrote:

> http://wairoa.net/

claims:

| Wairoa is [...] unique [...] a very wide river runs
| through the center of town

That's not really unique. Many places have a very large river running
through them:

London (Thames)
New York (Hudson)
Paris (Seine)
Budapest (Danube)
Sydney (Paramatta)

Most towns were in fact founded where they were *because* of the river.

--
Toby A Inkster BSc (Hons) ARCS
Contact Me ~ http://tobyinkster.co.uk/contact

10-21-2005, 09:02

Mark Parnell wrote

> Try using a doctype that triggers Standards mode instead of Quirks
> mode. At the moment you are relying on the browser's error-correction
> mechanism, which differs from browser to browser - even more than
> their implementations of the standards. :-)

I demand a refund!

I am doing a major overhaul of a site just now. I am viewing it in
Firefox, Opera and IE. Naturally there are slight differences.

I read your post, and thought I would give it a try. I put in this
doctype (didn't have one before):

<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">

I then refreshed each browser. Didn't make a blind bit of difference!

DOCTYPE SHMOCTYPE!

--
Charles Sweeney
http://CharlesSweeney.com

10-21-2005, 09:02

Toby Inkster wrote:

> That's not really unique. Many places have a very large river running
> through them:
>
> London (Thames)
> New York (Hudson)
> Paris (Seine)
> Budapest (Danube)
> Sydney (Paramatta)

You forgot Melbourne (Yarra)

which has the added distinction that their river is upside-down. The mud is
at the top :-)
--
Cheers
Richard.

10-21-2005, 09:02

Once upon a time *Charles Sweeney* wrote:

> Mark Parnell wrote
>
>> Try using a doctype that triggers Standards mode instead of Quirks
>> mode. At the moment you are relying on the browser's error-correction
>> mechanism, which differs from browser to browser - even more than
>> their implementations of the standards. :-)
>
> I demand a refund!
>
> I am doing a major overhaul of a site just now. I am viewing it in
> Firefox, Opera and IE. Naturally there are slight differences.
>
> I read your post, and thought I would give it a try. I put in this
> doctype (didn't have one before):
>
> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
>
> I then refreshed each browser. Didn't make a blind bit of difference!
>
> DOCTYPE SHMOCTYPE!
>

Charles, that single line don't change anything, it's still quirks
(browser guessing) mode.

Add the link to W3C dtd file and see what happends

<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"
"http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/loose.dtd">

Even better:

<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN"
"http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd">

--
/Arne
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10-21-2005, 01:02	#1 (permalink)
Jenny Civilians	IE and a mind of its own :( Hello Group. I am trying to get me site out of frames as suggested by many of you. I have managed this except for one tiny ****che in IE. On all pages opened in IE, if I close them up, as with making the page narrow by dragging the right side in., anything on the right side drops down under the menu on the left side. Mozilla, FF and Netscape are all fine and hold the page together nicely and close up as should without distorting the layout. I have posted both css and a demo index page here. http://wairoa.net/temp/wairoa.css http://wairoa.net/temp/index.htm Just op[en index.htm up in IE, drag the right side in and you will see what I mean ( I hope ) How may I fix the right side ( div.content ) to stay put in IE Any help would be appreciated, I have been going around in circles for a week or so but nothing seems to work. Many thanks Jenny

10-21-2005, 01:02	#2 (permalink)
Mark Parnell Civilians	Re: IE and a mind of its own :( In our last episode, Jenny <jcaughey@xtra.co.nz> pronounced to alt.www.webmaster: > How may I fix the right side ( div.content ) to stay put in IE Try using a doctype that triggers Standards mode instead of Quirks mode. At the moment you are relying on the browser's error-correction mechanism, which differs from browser to browser - even more than their implementations of the standards. :-) More info: http://gutfeldt.ch/matthias/articles/doctypeswitch.html > Any help would be appreciated, I have been going around in circles for a > week or so but nothing seems to work. A couple of other comments: You will need to remove all the target attributes from your links - at the moment almost all of them try to open in a new window. Try increasing the font size in your browser (Firefox here) a few notches and have a look at your menu. Nice photo, BTW. :-) -- Mark Parnell http://clarkecomputers.com.au

10-21-2005, 01:02	#3 (permalink)
Mark Parnell Civilians	Re: IE and a mind of its own :( In our last episode, Mark Parnell <webmaster@clarkecomputers.com.au> pronounced to alt.www.webmaster: > Try using a doctype that triggers Standards mode instead of Quirks mode. Sorry, should have said - use HTML 4.01, not HTML 4 - 4.01 was an update of 4 (mostly correcting errors), released in 1999. http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/appendix/....html#19991224 -- Mark Parnell http://clarkecomputers.com.au

10-21-2005, 05:00	#4 (permalink)
Toby Inkster Civilians	Re: IE and a mind of its own :( Jenny wrote: > http://wairoa.net/ claims: \| Wairoa is [...] unique [...] a very wide river runs \| through the center of town That's not really unique. Many places have a very large river running through them: London (Thames) New York (Hudson) Paris (Seine) Budapest (Danube) Sydney (Paramatta) Most towns were in fact founded where they were because of the river. -- Toby A Inkster BSc (Hons) ARCS Contact Me ~ http://tobyinkster.co.uk/contact

10-21-2005, 09:02	#5 (permalink)
Charles Sweeney Civilians	Re: IE and a mind of its own :( Mark Parnell wrote > Try using a doctype that triggers Standards mode instead of Quirks > mode. At the moment you are relying on the browser's error-correction > mechanism, which differs from browser to browser - even more than > their implementations of the standards. :-) I demand a refund! I am doing a major overhaul of a site just now. I am viewing it in Firefox, Opera and IE. Naturally there are slight differences. I read your post, and thought I would give it a try. I put in this doctype (didn't have one before): <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"> I then refreshed each browser. Didn't make a blind bit of difference! DOCTYPE SHMOCTYPE! -- Charles Sweeney http://CharlesSweeney.com

10-21-2005, 09:02	#6 (permalink)
rf Civilians	Re: IE and a mind of its own :( Toby Inkster wrote: > That's not really unique. Many places have a very large river running > through them: > > London (Thames) > New York (Hudson) > Paris (Seine) > Budapest (Danube) > Sydney (Paramatta) You forgot Melbourne (Yarra) which has the added distinction that their river is upside-down. The mud is at the top :-) -- Cheers Richard.

10-21-2005, 09:02	#7 (permalink)
Arne Civilians	Re: IE and a mind of its own :( Once upon a time Charles Sweeney wrote: > Mark Parnell wrote > >> Try using a doctype that triggers Standards mode instead of Quirks >> mode. At the moment you are relying on the browser's error-correction >> mechanism, which differs from browser to browser - even more than >> their implementations of the standards. :-) > > I demand a refund! > > I am doing a major overhaul of a site just now. I am viewing it in > Firefox, Opera and IE. Naturally there are slight differences. > > I read your post, and thought I would give it a try. I put in this > doctype (didn't have one before): > > <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"> > > I then refreshed each browser. Didn't make a blind bit of difference! > > DOCTYPE SHMOCTYPE! > Charles, that single line don't change anything, it's still quirks (browser guessing) mode. Add the link to W3C dtd file and see what happends <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/loose.dtd"> Even better: <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd"> -- /Arne Now killing all top posters and posters who don't quote * How to post: http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/usenet/brox.html * From Google: http://www.safalra.com/special/googlegroupsreply/ -------------------------------------------------------------

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