Are domain names under registrar lock lost forever?

I have tried to register domain names that have been for 1-2 years under
"Registrar lock" status, and it appears that these domain names are lost
forever, right?
Unless the ex-owner releases these domain names, no one can register them,
and as long as he doesn't pay, he can't use it either. Is there a way to
release these names (I don't know the name of the owners, they don't
appear on the whois page) ?

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On Sun, 03 Jul 2005 17:41:13 -0300, Steve Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net>
wrote:

> Registrar lock just means the domain can't be transferred out from under
> you. If the domain is registered, however, you can't legally take it
> anyhow.

The domain names used to be registered but have expired for at least one
year.
I guess they're blocked forever :s

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Justin Sane wrote:
> On Sun, 03 Jul 2005 17:41:13 -0300, Steve Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Registrar lock just means the domain can't be transferred out from
>> under you. If the domain is registered, however, you can't legally
>> take it anyhow.
>
> The domain names used to be registered but have expired for at least
> one year.
> I guess they're blocked forever :s

Some registers will keep a domain when it expires. I had one tell me if I
didnt renew it with them that they would kep it after it went through
redeemption, etc...

On Sun, 03 Jul 2005 18:58:14 -0300, Steve Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net>
wrote:

> Ok, now please answer: What's the domain name you're wondering about?
> (or names)

Steve, I'll give you the example of a domain name that I have in my domain
name list, that I don't want anymore, that is expired, that I don't want,
but that is no available to public: gentoodesktop.com. It has the status
of "Registrar Lock". If I select it and select "Delete", I get an alert
saying that I'll have to pay a fee if I want to release the domain name.
So... I just leave the domain name in my list of expired domain names. No
one can register it, I don't want it either.


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On Sun, 03 Jul 2005 1848 -0300, Viper <venomx@gmail.com> wrote:

> Some registers will keep a domain when it expires. I had one tell me if I
> didnt renew it with them that they would kep it after it went through
> redeemption, etc...

I think you're right. This is sad.


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Steve Sobol wrote:
> Justin Sane wrote:
>> On Sun, 03 Jul 2005 1848 -0300, Viper <venomx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Some registers will keep a domain when it expires. I had one tell
>>> me if I didnt renew it with them that they would kep it after it
>>> went through redeemption, etc...
>>
>>
>> I think you're right. This is sad.
>
> I think if you trust Viper about anything, you're being quite
> foolish. He does not know what he's talking about.
>
> As I explained in the other post I just made in this thread, the
> domain is probably in redemption status. But OnlineNIC doesn't show
> the status. Registrar lock normally shows as REGISTRAR-LOCK or
> something similar, but if it expired and the grace period was over it
> would show REDEMPTION status, as previously described.
>
If you believe Steve and dont believe me then you are a fool. I had a domain
drop to REDEEMPTION status. I emailed to get the domain back into my account
and renew it. The Register told me they needed $100. I told them I would
wait until it dropped and register it at another Register. They replied back
that I can do that BUT they have the option to KEEP the domain and use it
themselves after the redeemption period was over.

The only reason I got the domain back was because I went to a domain forum
that has 15,000 members and let them know what was said. The head/owner of
the register then posted at that forum and said they changed their rules and
I could have it for the $6.95/yr.

Steve Sobol wrote:
> Viper wrote:
>
>> Who ever said they wasnt going to register it?
>
> That's not what you implied, and you know it. Of course if they
> register it, it's gone. Of course, if anyone ELSE registers it, it's
> still gone.
Nah I meant they would register it.

> But by pouncing on the domain the day it expires, they're no better
> than the slimy domain brokers...
>

Yep.

>> BTW I forget the domain but I once seen one that was registered at
>> NetworkSolutions that was expired for well over 3 years and they had
>> not dropped it.
>
> Never seen that... have seen domains stick around for months, but
> never that long. Must have been a while ago...

It was 6 months to a year ago. I read about it somewhere and did a whois..
sure enough at the time it was expired and was over 3 years expired.