DHTML menus

Hi guys!
Its that re-design time of year again! I'm converting a tables based site
to
a Pure CSS site, and tweaking the whole look of the site. I've got a
couple
of questions:

1) I want to use DHTML for the main navigation. Would my code still
validate
if I have this big chunk of DHTML in it? Also, How gracefully would a
DHTML
menu degrade if someone was surfing with Java switched off? And finally,
how
would a screen reader, or other visual aid, cope with a DHTML menu, would
I
still have to present a plain text <a href> type menu?

2) Could anyone recomend a decent, easy to install forum system
(php/Mysql)?
I would want it easy to customise so I can blend it seamlessly with the
rest
of my site. I know I should code my own, but i'm being lazy to learn PHP
from scratch! Hey, I'm learning CSS, one step at a time eh?

Many thanks in advance

Paul

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On Wed, 22 Jun 2005, paul wrote:

> Hi guys!
> Its that re-design time of year again! I'm converting a tables based site
> to
> a Pure CSS site, and tweaking the whole look of the site. I've got a
> couple
> of questions:
>
> 1) I want to use DHTML for the main navigation. Would my code still
> validate
> if I have this big chunk of DHTML in it? Also, How gracefully would a
> DHTML
> menu degrade if someone was surfing with Java switched off? And finally,
> how
> would a screen reader, or other visual aid, cope with a DHTML menu, would
> I
> still have to present a plain text <a href> type menu?

A link to a plain text version (or a "<noscript>...</noscript>" section
would be useful for those not using JavaScript (those with it switched off
or those using browsers such as Lynx that don't support JavaScript).

If you have an Nvidia video card, try finding a driver for it at
http://www.nvidia.com/content/drivers/drivers.asp
using only the Lynx browser.

>
> 2) Could anyone recomend a decent, easy to install forum system
> (php/Mysql)?
> I would want it easy to customise so I can blend it seamlessly with the
> rest
> of my site. I know I should code my own, but i'm being lazy to learn PHP
> from scratch! Hey, I'm learning CSS, one step at a time eh?

Sorry, I can't help there.

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Once upon a time, far far away "paul"
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>Its that re-design time of year again! I'm converting a tables based site
>to
>a Pure CSS site, and tweaking the whole look of the site.

The two are not connected. CSS suggests appearance, tables present
tabular information.

> How gracefully would a DHTML
>menu degrade if someone was surfing with Java switched off?

Try it with Lynx and see for yourself!

Matt

In article <d9bbo3$gh$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk>, paul says...
> Hi guys!
> Its that re-design time of year again! I'm converting a tables based site
> to
> a Pure CSS site, and tweaking the whole look of the site. I've got a
> couple
> of questions:
>
> 1) I want to use DHTML for the main navigation. Would my code still
> validate
> if I have this big chunk of DHTML in it? Also, How gracefully would a
> DHTML
> menu degrade if someone was surfing with Java switched off? And finally,
> how
> would a screen reader, or other visual aid, cope with a DHTML menu, would
> I
> still have to present a plain text <a href> type menu?

My site uses CSS and a DHTML drop down menu (top left). You can still
navigate without the drop down menu.
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paul wrote:
> Hi guys!
> Its that re-design time of year again! I'm converting a tables based site
> to
> a Pure CSS site, and tweaking the whole look of the site. I've got a
> couple
> of questions:
>
> 1) I want to use DHTML for the main navigation. Would my code still
> validate
> if I have this big chunk of DHTML in it? Also, How gracefully would a
> DHTML
> menu degrade if someone was surfing with Java switched off? And finally,
> how
> would a screen reader, or other visual aid, cope with a DHTML menu, would
> I
> still have to present a plain text <a href> type menu?

You might want to take a look at Suckerfish dropdown menus.
(http://www.alistapart.com/articles/dropdowns) It uses list tags to do
the navigation. The lists are styled using CSS into dropdowns. There
are several beautiful things about suckerfish. It degrades nicely into
lists if your browser doesn't support CSS. It works without javascript
if your browser is standards compliant like FireFox. There is an
acompanying slice of javascript to beat recalcitrants like Internet
Explorer into submission. Unfortunately, Safari 1.0 objects to it. The
other beauty of suckerfish is that it makes editing dropdown navbars a
breeze to edit.

Alistapart has some great articles on CSS based design. Also worth
checking out is http://www.htmldog.com/ and http://csszengarden.com/ to
see some stuff that can be done with CSS

-db- wrote:

> paul wrote:
>
>> Hi guys!
>> Its that re-design time of year again! I'm converting a tables based site
>> to
>> a Pure CSS site, and tweaking the whole look of the site. I've got a
>> couple
>> of questions:
>>
>> 1) I want to use DHTML for the main navigation. Would my code still
>> validate
>> if I have this big chunk of DHTML in it? Also, How gracefully would a
>> DHTML
>> menu degrade if someone was surfing with Java switched off? And finally,
>> how
>> would a screen reader, or other visual aid, cope with a DHTML menu, would
>> I
>> still have to present a plain text <a href> type menu?
>
>
> You might want to take a look at Suckerfish dropdown menus.
> (http://www.alistapart.com/articles/dropdowns) It uses list tags to do
> the navigation. The lists are styled using CSS into dropdowns. There
> are several beautiful things about suckerfish. It degrades nicely into
> lists if your browser doesn't support CSS. It works without javascript
> if your browser is standards compliant like FireFox. There is an
> acompanying slice of javascript to beat recalcitrants like Internet
> Explorer into submission. Unfortunately, Safari 1.0 objects to it. The
> other beauty of suckerfish is that it makes editing dropdown navbars a
> breeze to edit.

Hmm.. Safari 1.0(.3) doesn't seem to mind this menu:
http://koivi.com/css-menus/

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Justin Koivisto wrote:
[chop]
>
> Hmm.. Safari 1.0(.3) doesn't seem to mind this menu:
> http://koivi.com/css-menus/
>

thank you kindly for that.