RipVanWinkle

Hi, I'm Rip Van Winkle.

I recently woke up from a very deep sleep and decided that Internet
Technology is something I want to learn. Actually, I've wanted to
learn it for awhile, but am simply a self-starter with aptitude. I
would like to learn how to create and develop websites, and...more.
Oh, yeah...and maybe learn how to hack & tweak, unless, of course,
that's illegal, which, with my personality, I would probably want to do
anyway.

I'm fairly smart, I'm substantially older than 13, but I have all of
this hair and these cobwebs are in the way. So....what do I do next?
Where do I start? I have a domain ready to go.....I feel like I'm all
dressed up to go out on the town, but there are no activities. What
would be the next step for me? Find a host with the most? Then what?
I've tried a lot of sites & group forums, but, apparently I am just too
strange for the mainstream. Maybe a good fit here? Any suggestions,
even sarcastic, would be appreciated. I like Guinness beer, by the
way, if that helps.

"ripvanwink" <ripvanwink@cox.net> wrote in message
news:1115170072.930550.160010@f14g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com...
> Hi, I'm Rip Van Winkle.
>
> I recently woke up from a very deep sleep and decided that Internet
> Technology is something I want to learn. Actually, I've wanted to
> learn it for awhile, but am simply a self-starter with aptitude. I
> would like to learn how to create and develop websites, and...more.
> Oh, yeah...and maybe learn how to hack & tweak, unless, of course,
> that's illegal, which, with my personality, I would probably want to do
> anyway.
>
> I'm fairly smart, I'm substantially older than 13, but I have all of
> this hair and these cobwebs are in the way. So....what do I do next?
> Where do I start? I have a domain ready to go.....I feel like I'm all
> dressed up to go out on the town, but there are no activities. What
> would be the next step for me? Find a host with the most? Then what?
> I've tried a lot of sites & group forums, but, apparently I am just too
> strange for the mainstream. Maybe a good fit here? Any suggestions,
> even sarcastic, would be appreciated. I like Guinness beer, by the
> way, if that helps.

I'd say you start by doing. Except for the hacking part. There's a
difference between just doing something illegal and being a person to
despise. Hackers fall into the second category. Host with the most isn't
that important. I'd recommend building your own site and hosting it on your
own machine if you are in it to learn.


--
Jim Snape of Page-Zone Web Hosting
http://www.page-zone.com

In article <2wWde.5392$GQ5.2331@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink. net>
Jim <mail@RMpage-zone.com> wrote:
>
>
> "ripvanwink" <ripvanwink@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:1115170072.930550.160010@f14g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com...
> > Hi, I'm Rip Van Winkle.
> >
> > I recently woke up from a very deep sleep and decided that Internet
> > Technology is something I want to learn. Actually, I've wanted to
> > learn it for awhile, but am simply a self-starter with aptitude. I
> > would like to learn how to create and develop websites, and...more.
> > Oh, yeah...and maybe learn how to hack & tweak, unless, of course,
> > that's illegal, which, with my personality, I would probably want to do
> > anyway.
> >
> > I'm fairly smart, I'm substantially older than 13, but I have all of
> > this hair and these cobwebs are in the way. So....what do I do next?
> > Where do I start? I have a domain ready to go.....I feel like I'm all
> > dressed up to go out on the town, but there are no activities. What
> > would be the next step for me? Find a host with the most? Then what?
> > I've tried a lot of sites & group forums, but, apparently I am just too
> > strange for the mainstream. Maybe a good fit here? Any suggestions,
> > even sarcastic, would be appreciated. I like Guinness beer, by the
> > way, if that helps.
>
> I'd say you start by doing. Except for the hacking part. There's a
> difference between just doing something illegal and being a person to
> despise. Hackers fall into the second category. Host with the most isn't
> that important. I'd recommend building your own site and hosting it on your
> own machine if you are in it to learn.


He's using the term "hack" in it's original sense: To tinker
with and explore

Anonymous via the Cypherpunks Tonga Remailer <nobody@cypherpunks.to>
wrote in news:20050504051037.5C9B917092@mail.cypherpunks.to :

> In article <2wWde.5392$GQ5.2331@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink. net>
> Jim <mail@RMpage-zone.com> wrote:
>> "ripvanwink" <ripvanwink@cox.net> wrote in message
>> news:1115170072.930550.160010@f14g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com...
>> > I recently woke up from a very deep sleep and decided that Internet
>> > Technology is something I want to learn. Actually, I've wanted to
>> > learn it for awhile, but am simply a self-starter with aptitude. I
>> > would like to learn how to create and develop websites, and...more.
>> > Oh, yeah...and maybe learn how to hack & tweak, unless, of course,
>> > that's illegal, which, with my personality, I would probably want
>> > to do anyway.
>>
>> I'd say you start by doing. Except for the hacking part. There's a
>> difference between just doing something illegal and being a person to
>> despise. Hackers fall into the second category. Host with the most
>> isn't that important. I'd recommend building your own site and
>> hosting it on your own machine if you are in it to learn.
>
> He's using the term "hack" in it's original sense: To tinker
> with and explore

Id certainly hope so. There is more than enough "hackers defined by
TV/Movies" going on.

Gandalf Parker
-- www.alt-hacker.org

Gandalf Parker wrote:
> Anonymous via the Cypherpunks Tonga Remailer <nobody@cypherpunks.to>
> wrote in news:20050504051037.5C9B917092@mail.cypherpunks.to :
>
> > In article <2wWde.5392$GQ5.2331@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink. net>
> > Jim <mail@RMpage-zone.com> wrote:
> >> "ripvanwink" <ripvanwink@cox.net> wrote in message
> >> news:1115170072.930550.160010@f14g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com...
> >> > I recently woke up from a very deep sleep and decided that
Internet
> >> > Technology is something I want to learn. Actually, I've wanted
to
> >> > learn it for awhile, but am simply a self-starter with aptitude.
I
> >> > would like to learn how to create and develop websites,
and...more.
> >> > Oh, yeah...and maybe learn how to hack & tweak, unless, of
course,
> >> > that's illegal, which, with my personality, I would probably
want
> >> > to do anyway.
> >>
> >> I'd say you start by doing. Except for the hacking part. There's a
> >> difference between just doing something illegal and being a person
to
> >> despise. Hackers fall into the second category. Host with the most
> >> isn't that important. I'd recommend building your own site and
> >> hosting it on your own machine if you are in it to learn.
> >
> > He's using the term "hack" in it's original sense: To tinker
> > with and explore
>
> Id certainly hope so. There is more than enough "hackers defined by
> TV/Movies" going on.
>
> Gandalf Parker
> -- www.alt-hacker.o

Uh, I guess my history IS mixed up. I definitely fall into the tinker
and explore area, and have no wish to be a baddie.

So...I need to focus on building my own site. Where to begin? I have
software that I can enable, unfortunately, it's all French to me. I
suppose I need to learn the language. Hosting on my own machine sounds
very alluring. Thanks for the help.

"ripvanwink" <ripvanwink@cox.net> wrote in news:1115223865.608829.149980
@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:

> Uh, I guess my history IS mixed up. I definitely fall into the tinker
> and explore area, and have no wish to be a baddie.

Hacking is a tool and a method. Not all are drawn to the "dark side".
There are black hats, grey hats, and white hats which all use "hacking"
as the method, just different goals. (the alt.hacker newsgroup and the
www.alt-hacker.org website are very strict white hats)

> So...I need to focus on building my own site. Where to begin? I have
> software that I can enable, unfortunately, it's all French to me. I
> suppose I need to learn the language. Hosting on my own machine sounds
> very alluring. Thanks for the help.

It doesnt take as much as people think. Any old computer in the closet
because it wont run the latest stuff can provide more hosting than you
will get from sharing a machine with hundreds of people.

I would go into that more but it sounds like you are not quite there yet.
Are we talking about windows, mac, linux? Then it tends to go.. making a
page, making a site, hosting a site, becoming your own ISP. (in my case
Im working my way backwards thru that list and am here to get help on the
making web page part)

Gandalf Parker
--
www.Any1can.net

"ripvanwink" <ripvanwink@cox.net> wrote in message
news:1115223865.608829.149980@g14g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>
> So...I need to focus on building my own site. Where to begin? I have
> software that I can enable, unfortunately, it's all French to me. I
> suppose I need to learn the language. Hosting on my own machine sounds
> very alluring. Thanks for the help.

I'd get some pre-written html code and start modifying it to see what
happens and go from there. I'm sure an instructor would say something
completely different. It's not that hard, and there are only a small number
of basic html tags. The server part is much more fun though. :-)

--
Jim Snape of Page-Zone Web Hosting
http://www.page-zone.com