Search engine submission - multiple domains, same site

<Liddle Feesh> <Liddle Feesh> wrote in <426596b1$0$42292$ed2619ec@ptn-
nntp-reader02.plus.net>:
> Dear Group,
>
> I have multiple domains, which all pretty much point to the same site
> (albiet sometimes different pages).
>
> Can I submit all the domains to search engines, one after another - or just
> the primary main domain?
>
> Will the crawler robots detect the redirect (same ISP) and block my
> requests?
>

What will happen is that over a short amount of time most SEs will choose
one URL to serve for each page and drop the others. You may also be
penalised if there are too many redirects to the same pages leading to
suspicion of spamming.

You are also losing out on the advantage you can gain from having several
domains. Set up a unique index page for every single domain. Choose a page
title and the content to work as effectively as possible with the domain
name. Then link from those index pages in the normal fashion to wherever
you want the traffic to go. Voila! Instead of a potential problem you have
several well crafted pages generating their own traffic.

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and all we end up getting is spin

On 20 Apr 2005 08:54:37 GMT, Charles Sweeney <me@charlessweeney.com>
wrote:

>Disco Octopus wrote
>
>> Charles Sweeney wrote :
>>> wrote
>>>
>>>> Dear Group,
>>>>
>>>> I have multiple domains, which all pretty much point to the same
>site
>>>> (albiet sometimes different pages).
>>>>
>>>> Can I submit all the domains to search engines, one after another -
>or
>>>> just the primary main domain?
>>>>
>>>> Will the crawler robots detect the redirect (same ISP) and block my
>>>> requests?
>>>
>>> Quite a lot of qualification needed with regard to your points, but
>if
>>> Google (for example) see a site redirecting, they will drop it like a
>>> hot spud.
>>
>> Redirecting, however, would be different to pointing to the same
>> pages(files).
>> eg. if one.example.com redirected to two.example.com, Google may spit
>> it out.
>>
>> However, if one.example.com was 'pointing' to files on
>> /usr/web/root/index.php and two.example.com also pointed to
>> /usr/web/root/index.php on the same file system, then google will see
>> that they are two different sites.
>>
>> However(again), does google look at things like...
>> if ip address of one.example.com is the same as ip address of
>> two.example.com, and the pages are identicle, does it spit it out?
>>
>> I seem to remember that this was once told to me. I seem to recall
>> this being discussed here with the question of which ever domain name
>> was indexed first will be the one that google looks at. all others
>will
>> be ignored. Not sure if its the case. Anyone know?
>
>Like I said, more than a little qualification was needed. However, I
>would be very wary of having different URLs pointing to the same page.
>Google say here:
>
>http://www.google.com/intl/en/webmas...uidelines.html
>
>"Don't create multiple pages, subdomains, or domains with substantially
>duplicate content"
>
>In your example above, one.example.com and two.example.com would be
>subdomains with duplicate content.
>
>As you say, Google may or may not see that as different sites, but
>personally I wouldn't do it.

He needs to do a 301 redirect from one of the domains. That's it.

BB
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On 20 Apr 2005 0928 GMT, Charles Sweeney <me@charlessweeney.com>
wrote:

>Big Bill wrote
>
>> Loosely speaking, yes. Charles is wrong to say Google will dump any
>> redirect as there are ways and ways of doing it.
>
>Google say:
>
>"Don't employ cloaking or sneaky redirects"
>
>Personally I would not advise people to go against their guidelines.

A 301 isn't a sneaky redirect.

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Big Bill wrote

> On 20 Apr 2005 0928 GMT, Charles Sweeney <me@charlessweeney.com>
> wrote:
>
>>Big Bill wrote
>>
>>> Loosely speaking, yes. Charles is wrong to say Google will dump any
>>> redirect as there are ways and ways of doing it.
>>
>>Google say:
>>
>>"Don't employ cloaking or sneaky redirects"
>>
>>Personally I would not advise people to go against their guidelines.
>
> A 301 isn't a sneaky redirect.

Correct, I use them quite often. Perhaps we are talking about different
things here.

The page giving the 301 will be dropped by Google, which was my first
point.

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Big Bill wrote

> On 20 Apr 2005 08:54:37 GMT, Charles Sweeney <me@charlessweeney.com>
> wrote:
>
>>Disco Octopus wrote
>>
>>> Charles Sweeney wrote :
>>>> wrote
>>>>
>>>>> Dear Group,
>>>>>
>>>>> I have multiple domains, which all pretty much point to the same
>>site
>>>>> (albiet sometimes different pages).
>>>>>
>>>>> Can I submit all the domains to search engines, one after another
-
>>or
>>>>> just the primary main domain?
>>>>>
>>>>> Will the crawler robots detect the redirect (same ISP) and block
my
>>>>> requests?
>>>>
>>>> Quite a lot of qualification needed with regard to your points, but
>>if
>>>> Google (for example) see a site redirecting, they will drop it like
a
>>>> hot spud.
>>>
>>> Redirecting, however, would be different to pointing to the same
>>> pages(files).
>>> eg. if one.example.com redirected to two.example.com, Google may
spit
>>> it out.
>>>
>>> However, if one.example.com was 'pointing' to files on
>>> /usr/web/root/index.php and two.example.com also pointed to
>>> /usr/web/root/index.php on the same file system, then google will
see
>>> that they are two different sites.
>>>
>>> However(again), does google look at things like...
>>> if ip address of one.example.com is the same as ip address of
>>> two.example.com, and the pages are identicle, does it spit it out?
>>>
>>> I seem to remember that this was once told to me. I seem to recall
>>> this being discussed here with the question of which ever domain
name
>>> was indexed first will be the one that google looks at. all others
>>will
>>> be ignored. Not sure if its the case. Anyone know?
>>
>>Like I said, more than a little qualification was needed. However, I
>>would be very wary of having different URLs pointing to the same page.
>>Google say here:
>>
>>http://www.google.com/intl/en/webmas...uidelines.html
>>
>>"Don't create multiple pages, subdomains, or domains with
substantially
>>duplicate content"
>>
>>In your example above, one.example.com and two.example.com would be
>>subdomains with duplicate content.
>>
>>As you say, Google may or may not see that as different sites, but
>>personally I wouldn't do it.
>
> He needs to do a 301 redirect from one of the domains. That's it.

If he doesn't mind the issuing page getting dropped, which for me was
one of the factors of many that would need qualification from the OP.

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"Charles Sweeney" <me@charlessweeney.com> wrote in message
> If he doesn't mind the issuing page getting dropped, which for me was
> one of the factors of many that would need qualification from the OP.

Hi Charles,

Yes - the pages are:
www.evolvedsoftwarestudios.com
www.evolvedsoftwarestudios.co.uk (alias)
www.evolvedsoftwarestudios.net (alias)

The other pages are:
www.managemeant.net (redirect:
http://www.evolvedsoftwarestudios.co...anagemeant.htm)
www.managemeant.co.uk (redirect as above)
www.fireteamscheduler.com (redirect:
http://www.evolvedsoftwarestudios.co...s-fireteam.htm)
www.fireteamscheduler.co.uk (redirect as above)

That's it!


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wrote

> "Charles Sweeney" <me@charlessweeney.com> wrote in message
>> If he doesn't mind the issuing page getting dropped, which for me was
>> one of the factors of many that would need qualification from the OP.
>
> Hi Charles,
>
> Yes - the pages are:
> www.evolvedsoftwarestudios.com
> www.evolvedsoftwarestudios.co.uk (alias)
> www.evolvedsoftwarestudios.net (alias)
>
> The other pages are:
> www.managemeant.net (redirect:
> http://www.evolvedsoftwarestudios.co...anagemeant.htm)
> www.managemeant.co.uk (redirect as above)
> www.fireteamscheduler.com (redirect:
> http://www.evolvedsoftwarestudios.co...s-fireteam.htm)
> www.fireteamscheduler.co.uk (redirect as above)
>
> That's it!

Hi Small Fish.

The crawlers will find you anyway, no need to submit usually. Are your
sites on search engines just now? If not, they will be soon if they are
linked to somewhere.

To be honest, I can't be bothered reading all this and figuring stuff
out. In short, you should get picked up, pages that redirect will get
dropped, but your main site will be ok.

Good luck.

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http://CharlesSweeney.com