Google top ten

How to get to the top ten on the google. I tried so much keywords. I m not
in first 400. Can anyone know good tutorial or send me a good advice

Pegasus275 m@sk.htnet.hr wrote in <d3rbte$75t$1@ss405.t-com.hr>:
> How to get to the top ten on the google. I tried so much keywords. I m not
> in first 400. Can anyone know good tutorial or send me a good advice
>

Have good content that is separated into pages that are concentrated on a
single clear topic. Use good clean mark up with proper use of title and
header tags. Spellcheck. Link out to authoritative sites on the subject of
each page using keywords for that page in the link text. Seek inbound
links from good sites that cover the same subject. Update content
regularly.

In other words, run a good web site as it should be run. Beyond that it's
a matter of hard work unless you are competing for extremely competitive
search terms on a professional basis. In which case you are in for several
months of hard studying or need to hire a good SEO expert.

Alternatively get the site translated into Telugu where there's not much
competition.

--
eric
www.ericjarvis.co.uk
all these years I've waited for the revolution
and all we end up getting is spin

On Sat, 16 Apr 2005 17:44:32 +0200, "Pegasus275" <m@sk.htnet.hr>
wrote:

>How to get to the top ten on the google. I tried so much keywords. I m not
>in first 400. Can anyone know good tutorial or send me a good advice
>

Just a handful of tips

* you mentioned trying "so much keywords" - general rule of thumb
is 2 to 4 keyphrases per page; can go higher than that but you need to
clarify, on your side, what your main phrases are and what are not
then figure out the density from that. May need to rethink what
keywords you are shooting for - if single word ones, like computers,
then you will have your work cut out for you as that won't be easy to
break into the Top 10 ... whereas you may do easier with 2 to 3 word
phrases or perhaps some niche phrases (where the competition is bit
lower but more intune with your contents/offerings - so could be a
lucrative for you and your site.
* keyword density [2 to 5% is generally enough but depends on your
competition (sites in the top 10 already) on if you may need to go
higher but you want to keep the content read-able by people versus
boring them with every other word being a keyword repeated]
* proper/valid use of HTML [such as using headings as for what they
are intended to be used for - to structure your document - and
validate the HTML to lower chances of a spider getting "hung up' on
something being two thoughts]
* rethink use of fads - such as alt="' being nifty place for
keyword spamming/stuffing (which hasn't worked on the main search
engine index since around 2001 as Google has a separate spider that
makes use of the alt="" text, for image search, but googlebot ignores
alt="". No need to use hidden text if your visible text content is
sound and reasonable density - some sites thinking hidden text is
'helpign them' is actually selling their content short as they may
have ranked well without any of the hidden text.
* Inbound links - these are links from other sites/pages to your
site/pages in it. You will also want, for Google, good anchor text
used. For example - let's say your site URL is www.example.com but it
sells turquise widgets for foo then you will want 'turquise widgets"
"widgets for foo" or turquise widgets for foo" as the anchor text used
for those links if possible versus "visit Example.com" or
"www.example.com" or "Example's site" or such wordign as the anchor
text as the URL doesn't hold any keywords you are shooting for and you
are counting on, in a way, people to do a search for your URL versus
your product/offering. Look at where your competitors, ranking higher
than you, got some of their inbound links from for some ideas.
* Some will say try to get links from pages [versus sites] that are
PR4 or higher but given that Google hasn't updated the toolbar's PR
display since January - you may not really know a page's PR value,
what shows as a PR5 may be devalued, on the next update, to being a
PR4 or PR3 while a current PR2 may shoot uyp to being a PR5. I really
don't fret about PR these days - rarely even look at the PR display as
it is out-of-date within an hour or two of being updated when you
think about it - and some theorize it is outdated from the first
minute it appears to been updated. You just want to make sure to not
get involved with any link farms - as where you link out to can cause
some headaches - and perhaps focus on sites more intune with what your
site is offering [for example, why trade links with a site about site
hosting if your site is about cat care?]. So this also goes back to
your content being appealing and such thoughts as that will help you
in this quest of link building. You will also want a mix of traded
links and one-way links [links coming your way but not requiring you
to link back their way].
* In terms of META - not much help from those, if any at all, but
meta description is sometimes used by Google in the abstract/snippet
shared on the search results page. Yahoo also makes use of meta
description. If going to use meta keywords, no need - in my opinion -
in seeing how many words/misspellings you can list so around 10 to 15
words is fine. In terms of misspellings, Google and some other SE's
put up "did you mean [correct or alternative spelling]?" link for
folks which lowers the 'need to worry about it' thoughts on our side.
If goign to use metas then don't use the same ones across all pages
but make them reinforce/support/work with the individual pages and
those pages' contents. Keep meta descript short and to the point, as
if it is used by google or Yahoo then there is a cut-off point on how
much of it _is_ displayed, so you want to keep it short and punchy but
tantalizing to others for that reason.
* <title></title> - short, sweet, simple (60 to 80/90 characters)
works best but try to have your main keywords/oomph within the first
60 characters. If your URL/site name doesn't have 'oomph' [keywords
and such] involved but you want to share it in the title - then list
it last. As with metas - you will want to have the individual pages
have different titles that accurately reflect what they are offering
without lapsing into just listing keywords as a 'title'.

Google uses a mix of on-page plus off-page touches in their algorithem
and they tweak their algo a bit more often - sometimes the tweaks may
be minor and other times they may be major ones.

Look up Brett Tabke's article 26 steps to 15k a day as that has some
nice tips in it to help with ranking.

On Sat, 16 Apr 2005 17:30:07 +0100, Eric Jarvis <web@ericjarvis.co.uk>
wrote:

>Alternatively get the site translated into Telugu where there's not much
>competition.

Now that's a new one! *makes note of it - has possibilities*

Carol

"Carol W" finished with:
: Look up Brett Tabke's article 26 steps to 15k a day as that has
some
: nice tips in it to help with ranking.

It's at http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum3/2010.htm .

Lois
--
www.wordsweave.com

Carol W from_you@nomail.com wrote in
<lif261dc30p9mefl0fjt9g6fb04isodtl8@4ax.com>:
> On Sat, 16 Apr 2005 17:30:07 +0100, Eric Jarvis <web@ericjarvis.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
> >Alternatively get the site translated into Telugu where there's not much
> >competition.
>
> Now that's a new one! *makes note of it - has possibilities*
>

Well, it took me two years to get to number one for a two word term in
English. It took three months to get to number one for a single word term
in French. It took even less in Spanish and Chinese. In Swahili it was
number one on just about any relevant search from the moment Google
indexed the Swahili pages. Now some may cavil that there isn't an awful
lot of traffic in Swahili. I can only say that wen it comes to SEO willy
waving it's never really actually been about doing anything useful anyway.

--
eric
www.ericjarvis.co.uk
all these years I've waited for the revolution
and all we end up getting is spin

On Sat, 16 Apr 2005 17:59:10 +0100, Eric Jarvis <web@ericjarvis.co.uk>
wrote:

>Carol W from_you@nomail.com wrote in
><lif261dc30p9mefl0fjt9g6fb04isodtl8@4ax.com>:
>> On Sat, 16 Apr 2005 17:30:07 +0100, Eric Jarvis <web@ericjarvis.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Alternatively get the site translated into Telugu where there's not much
>> >competition.
>>
>> Now that's a new one! *makes note of it - has possibilities*
>>
>
>Well, it took me two years to get to number one for a two word term in
>English.

I worked on a phrase until I finally jumped out of the 70's range to
the Top 10 ... and only saw a 2 to 3 visitor a month increase for the
two-word phrase. Looks impressive, as the result brings back over 14
million pages - but in terms of being a lucrative phrase, not at all
according to the site stats. Other phrases though do bring a nice
amount of traffic and I had to work on being in competition, in terms
of top 10 thoughts, for one of those - but that one paid off better in
the end.

Lesson learned to a degree as a result of both experiences/time
investments.


> Now some may cavil that there isn't an awful
>lot of traffic in Swahili. I can only say that wen it comes to SEO willy
>waving it's never really actually been about doing anything useful anyway.

*chuckle*

Carol