Browsers Stats please

Is there some one here that runs a web site whose targeted audience is
general people (above all, not geeks), mostly people who like news,
business articles, etc... People who are 40/50 years old.

I'd like to know browsers stats of such web sites because I have an
e-commerce web site to create this year, and I want to use 100% CSS layout
without tables, and if such browsers as Netscape 4 are less than 1%, I
might not have problems if the web site looks weird in such browsers.
Anyway it wouldn't prevent access after all.

I'm just curious about the percentage of each browser version on such web
sites. My stats are totally biased, Opera represents 44%

Thanks,

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Kerberos wrote:
> Is there some one here that runs a web site whose targeted audience is
> general people (above all, not geeks), mostly people who like news,
> business articles, etc... People who are 40/50 years old.
>
> I'd like to know browsers stats of such web sites because I have an
> e-commerce web site to create this year, and I want to use 100% CSS
> layout without tables, and if such browsers as Netscape 4 are less than
> 1%, I might not have problems if the web site looks weird in such
> browsers. Anyway it wouldn't prevent access after all.
>
> I'm just curious about the percentage of each browser version on such
> web sites. My stats are totally biased, Opera represents 44%
>
> Thanks,
>

Your talking 97% IE unfortunately (from most of the generic sites I have
done) with netscape v4 being literally negligible. btw it doesn't take
much to make a site work in NS4 - just practice and using the tricks
(NS4 doesn't use @import or something so you can use a NS4 seperate
style sheet, which normally I also use as print!)

Gerry

On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 09:14:35 -0200, Kerberos <me@privacy.net> wrote:

> I'd like to know browsers stats of such web sites because I have an
> e-commerce web site to create this year, and I want to use 100% CSS
> layout without tables, and if such browsers as Netscape 4 are less than
> 1%, I might not have problems if the web site looks weird in such
> browsers. Anyway it wouldn't prevent access after all.

At work, I don't support anything earlier than IE5.01 I've never had any
complaints, from customers *or* management.

Grey

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Once upon a time, far far away, the king summoned Kerberos
<me@privacy.net> who replied:

>Is there some one here that runs a web site whose targeted audience is
>general people (above all, not geeks), mostly people who like news,
>business articles, etc... People who are 40/50 years old.

Try this:


Listing the top 100 browsers by the number of requests, sorted by the
number of requests.

reqs: browser
-------: -------
2488085: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1)
2244143: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1)
1732400: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1; .NET
CLR 1.1.4322)
1109858: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; .NET CLR
1.1.4322)
955416: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.0)
753069: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows 98)
436795: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.5)
Gecko/20041107 Firefox/1.0
401828: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.0; .NET CLR
1.1.4322)
263044: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1; .NET
CLR 1.0.3705)
256397: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; .NET CLR
1.0.3705)
202077: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows 98; Win 9x 4.90)
159762: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1; .NET
CLR 1.0.3705; .NET CLR 1.1.4322)
149984: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt)
148526: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.23; Mac_PowerPC)
144923: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows NT 5.0)
139567: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; rv:1.7.3)
Gecko/20041001 Firefox/0.10.1
135899: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1;
FunWebProducts)
132267: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows 98; Win 9x 4.90)
132217: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; .NET CLR
1.0.3705; .NET CLR 1.1.4322)
112856: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows 98; .NET CLR
1.1.4322)
109074: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2)
Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax)
85686: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Mac_PowerPC)
84641: Mozilla/3.01 (compatible
81737: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4)
Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax)
81236: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows NT 5.0)
74272: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1;
FunWebProducts; SV1)
72341: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows 98)
70171: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7)
Gecko/20040803 Firefox/0.9.3
65268: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 4.0)
64770: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; AOL 9.0; Windows NT 5.1)
62885: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.5)
Gecko/20041107 Firefox/1.0
59470: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.22; Mac_PowerPC)
59354: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.17; Mac_PowerPC)
58145: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X; en)
AppleWebKit/125.5.5 (KHTML, like Gecko) Safari/125.11
57247: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1;
FunWebProducts; SV1; .NET CLR 1.1.4322)
55493: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X; en)
AppleWebKit/125.5.5 (KHTML, like Gecko) Safari/125.12
54749: Mozilla/4.5 (compatible; HTTrack 3.0x; Windows 98)
54649: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1;
FunWebProducts; .NET CLR 1.1.4322)
53307: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 98)
51431: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; AOL 9.0; Windows NT 5.1;
SV1)
50800: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; AOL 9.0; Windows NT 5.1;
SV1; .NET CLR 1.1.4322)
50374: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.0; .NET CLR
1.0.3705; .NET CLR 1.1.4322)
50092: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.0; .NET CLR
1.0.3705)
50043: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; rv:1.7.3)
Gecko/20040913 Firefox/0.10.1
46818: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows 98; Win 9x 4.90;
.NET CLR 1.1.4322)
41659: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; AOL 9.0; Windows NT 5.1;
.NET CLR 1.1.4322)
39860: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible
38259: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows 98;
FunWebProducts)
37327: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7)
Gecko/20040707 Firefox/0.9.2
37076: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1;
FunWebProducts)
36885: Googlebot/2.1 (+http://www.google.com/bot.html)
34016: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X; en)
AppleWebKit/125.5 (KHTML, like Gecko) Safari/125.9
33665: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows NT 4.0)
33263: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; Q312461)
33022: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.3)
Gecko/20040910
33013: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; Q312461;
SV1)
31662: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1) Opera 7.54
[en]
30692: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.2; .NET CLR
1.1.4322)
30029: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X; en-us)
AppleWebKit/125.5.5 (KHTML, like Gecko) Safari/125.11
29961: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; rv:1.7.3)
Gecko/20040913 Firefox/0.10
29741: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1;
FunWebProducts; .NET CLR 1.1.4322)
29481: Mozilla/2.0 (compatible; Ask Jeeves/Teoma)
29317: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; fr-FR; rv:1.7.5)
Gecko/20041108 Firefox/1.0
28080: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X; en-us)
AppleWebKit/125.5.5 (KHTML, like Gecko) Safari/125.12
27856: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.6)
Gecko/20040206 Firefox/0.8
27723: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.0;
FunWebProducts)
27432: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; de-DE; rv:1.7.5)
Gecko/20041108 Firefox/1.0
26683: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.16; Mac_PowerPC)
26637: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.5)
Gecko/20041107 Firefox/1.0
24737: msnbot/0.3 (+http://search.msn.com/msnbot.htm)
24623: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X; en-us)
AppleWebKit/85.8.2 (KHTML, like Gecko) Safari/85.8
24570: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.0; T312461)
23674: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X; en)
AppleWebKit/125.4 (KHTML, like Gecko) Safari/125.9
23136: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; DigExt)
22003: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; .NET CLR
1.1.4322; .NET CLR 1.0.3705)
21650: Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Yahoo! Slurp;
http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/ysearch/slurp)
21193: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624
Netscape/7.1 (ax)
20739: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows 95)
20427: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; rv:1.7.3)
Gecko/20041001 Firefox/0.10.1
18835: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1; (R1
1.5))
18767: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US;
rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041107 Firefox/1.0
18697: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.6)
Gecko/20040113
18546: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1; .NET
CLR 1.0.3705; .NET CLR 1.1.4322; Media Center PC 2.8)
18436: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1; .NET
CLR 1.1.4322; .NET CLR 1.0.3705)
18296: Yahoo-MMCrawler/3.x (mms dash mmcrawler dash support at yahoo
dash inc dot com)
18068: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7)
Gecko/20040626 Firefox/0.9.1
17857: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4)
Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax)
17449: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.0; Q312461)
17098: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; de-DE; rv:1.7.5)
Gecko/20041122 Firefox/1.0
17089: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.2)
Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax)
16833: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; iebar)
15938: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-GB; rv:1.7.5)
Gecko/20041110 Firefox/1.0
15932: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; AOL 9.0; Windows 98)
15803: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1;
FunWebProducts; .NET CLR 1.0.3705)
15578: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.2)
Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax)
15506: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.14; Mac_PowerPC)
15062: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X; en-us)
AppleWebKit/125.5 (KHTML, like Gecko) Safari/125.9
14905: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; de-DE; rv:1.7)
Gecko/20040803 Firefox/0.9.3
14783: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows 98; Q312461)
14536: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; (R1 1.5))
4829882: [not listed: 70,414 browsers]

Please note the 70,414 not listed browsers!!!!


>
>I'd like to know browsers stats of such web sites because I have an
>e-commerce web site to create this year, and I want to use 100% CSS layout
>without tables, and if such browsers as Netscape 4 are less than 1%, I
>might not have problems if the web site looks weird in such browsers.
>Anyway it wouldn't prevent access after all.

You could try HTML, if you use CSS to suggest layout, it will still
work on browsers that don't support CSS! You can do it, you know you
can!

Matt

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Kerberos me@privacy.net wrote:
> Is there some one here that runs a web site whose targeted audience is
> general people (above all, not geeks), mostly people who like news,
> business articles, etc... People who are 40/50 years old.
>
> I'd like to know browsers stats of such web sites because I have an
> e-commerce web site to create this year, and I want to use 100% CSS layout
> without tables, and if such browsers as Netscape 4 are less than 1%, I
> might not have problems if the web site looks weird in such browsers.
> Anyway it wouldn't prevent access after all.
>
> I'm just curious about the percentage of each browser version on such web
> sites. My stats are totally biased, Opera represents 44%
>

How often do you intend to rebuild the site?

You don't want to know market share now, you want to know market share
between the site being finished and the next redesign of it. In other
words look forwards not backwards.

Netscape is easy. It's a very low user base, so use the @import hack to
feed the CSS only to high end browsers, and then put together a link rel
style sheet to feed to the remaining few Netscape 4 users.

What you REALLY need to be looking at is likely developments in mobile
devices over the next 18 months to 2 years. If there's an increase in
market share there then it may be worth being ahead of the curve in
catering for it.

Make sure your scripting is browser independent and generally solidly
accessible. There are few things more frustrating than finding a web site
that supplies what you want at a good price and then not being able to buy
because the scripting is shoddy or IE specific.

Think ahead not backwards.

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Gerry for email use my name at dergal dt com wrote:

> Your talking 97% IE unfortunately (from most of the generic sites I have
> done) with netscape v4 being literally negligible.

Dec 2005 stats from nctpregnancyandbabycare.com:

MSIE: 92.4%
Mozilla: 3.8%
Safari: 1.6%
Netscape (non-Gecko): 0.9%
Opera: 0.3%

This is using awstats -- not sure how accurate that package is.

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Em Fri, 14 Jan 2005 19:04:15 -0000, Eric Jarvis <web@ericjarvis.co.uk>
escreveu:

> What you REALLY need to be looking at is likely developments in mobile
> devices over the next 18 months to 2 years. If there's an increase in
> market share there then it may be worth being ahead of the curve in
> catering for it.

I don't think so, but we'll be ready for it
I think it's like Linux that every year we say "This year, Linux will be
the hot operating system", but Windows dominates.


> Make sure your scripting is browser independent and generally solidly
> accessible. There are few things more frustrating than finding a web site
> that supplies what you want at a good price and then not being able to
> buy
> because the scripting is shoddy or IE specific.
>
> Think ahead not backwards.


I agree with you, I'm testing intensively in various browsers at the same
time. I separate structure and content from presentation as well.



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