W3C Validator and frames

webdev wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm a newcomer to frames and have a client who wants to use frames (to keep
> advertising banners in view) -
>
> Can a framed site be made W3C valid markup?
>
> Thanks in advance
> Rae MacLeman
>
>
>
>

Yes, but there are thousands of reasons not to.

Firstly, many browsers prevent banner adverts being displayed, so it'd
be pointless.

Frames would totally screw the indexing of your clients site with search
engines (unless you are careful) and make it almost impossible for
someone to bookmark any page inside the site apart from the index
page... which kind of sucks.

Scroll back through the history of this newsgroup and you can see
hundreds of discussions on the subject.

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Hi,

I'm a newcomer to frames and have a client who wants to use frames (to keep
advertising banners in view) -

Can a framed site be made W3C valid markup?

Thanks in advance
Rae MacLeman

On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 0858 -0000, webdev <someone@microsofdt.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I'm a newcomer to frames and have a client who wants to use frames (to
> keep
> advertising banners in view) -

Unwise.

1) User-unfriendly design
2) Ad banners come off as sleazy to many users, and always-on-top is
really annoying.
3) Other techniques can be used to do it better. Like position: fixed, and
Javascript for IE.

> Can a framed site be made W3C valid markup?

Of course. But more important than validity is suitability, and framesets
are generally unsuitable for a corporate website.

SpaceGirl wrote:

> webdev wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'm a newcomer to frames and have a client who wants to use frames (to
>> keep advertising banners in view) - Can a framed site be made W3C valid
>> markup? Thanks in advance Rae MacLeman

> Yes, but there are thousands of reasons not to.

> Firstly, many browsers prevent banner adverts being displayed, so it'd
> be pointless.

I'd like to know which ones do this.
Then how would the browser know the content of the "banner" frame?
Some sites like geocities.com use popups for various reasons other than
advertising.

Even though frames are frowned upon, it is still a part of valid and current
html standards so the browser has to support them in every way.

On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 0858 -0000, webdev <someone@microsofdt.com> wrote:

> Hi,

Hidey-ho.

> I'm a newcomer to frames and have a client who wants to use frames (to
> keep advertising banners in view) -

It doesn't matter, I won't see any of them.

> Can a framed site be made W3C valid markup?

Unless you're a genius, (and I *don't* mean this in a rude way at all) if
you use frames you'll just end up making the page look like it was written
by a twelve year old making his first site on Geocities.

It's time to explain the benefits of server-side templates to your client.

Grey

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On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 1918 +0000, SpaceGirl
<NOtheSpaceGirlSPAM@subhuman.net> wrote:

> FireFox, AvantBrowser, Opera, Mozilla - they all have advert blockers
> and popup blockers by default.

Popup blockers, yesh; not advert blockers though. With Firefox installing
the ad-blocker extension requires some clicking via and menu-system, and
it would be silly for Opera, an ad-supported browser, to package an
ad-blocker along with their software. You can download a number of
third-party apps to block ads for any browser though.

Grey

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Richard wrote:
> SpaceGirl wrote:
>
>
>>webdev wrote:
>>
>>>Hi,
>>>
>>>I'm a newcomer to frames and have a client who wants to use frames (to
>>>keep advertising banners in view) - Can a framed site be made W3C valid
>>>markup? Thanks in advance Rae MacLeman
>
>
>>Yes, but there are thousands of reasons not to.
>
>
>>Firstly, many browsers prevent banner adverts being displayed, so it'd
>>be pointless.
>
>
> I'd like to know which ones do this.
> Then how would the browser know the content of the "banner" frame?
> Some sites like geocities.com use popups for various reasons other than
> advertising.
>
> Even though frames are frowned upon, it is still a part of valid and current
> html standards so the browser has to support them in every way.
>
>

FireFox, AvantBrowser, Opera, Mozilla - they all have advert blockers
and popup blockers by default. Also, by default, Internet Explorer 6 SP2
also blocks popup windows, so immediately if your site is using SCRIPTED
popup windows, I suspect a lot of people (possibly most? Depends how
many people applies SP2) wont see them.

Frames are supported by almost all browsers, and not blocked by any (any
that I know of, and any that matter for the average audience
[accessibility being accepted exception])

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