From watching the DNC Convention

[leobold1]

I've been watching C-SPAN3 for the past few hours. Two things have popped out at me.

First is the "Us vs. Them" speeches with the nomination roll call. Its been "Bush has done this and McCain wants four more years of it". Then its "Obama will bring the change we need." There's nothing to back it up. That may change tomorrow when Obama gives his speech, but we'll have to wait and see.

Second, Clinton's stealing the spotlight. Basically (and you should see this on the news later tonight), the roll call went alphabetically, with California and Illinois passing. It was all Obama. When it came to New Mexico, it was somewhere around 1550 - 400 (approximate) out of 2210. But, New Mexico deferred to Illinois, who had no chance to put Obama over the top. It was also a last minute thing, as the speaker seemed flustered with his words.

Illinois, who couldn't put Obama over the top, defered to New York. At that moment, Clinton, Shumer, Patterson, and others made a public entrance and, after she was recognized, Clinton moved to suspend the rest of the Roll Call and unanimously (with a voice vote) nominate Obama.

The camera momentarily went to Illinois, who looked shocked. It quickly went away from it.

The way I thought it would go was the Clinton would give all New York's delegates to Obama, turn it to California and have them give them all to Obama, then give it to Illinois to put him over the top.

The news said that it was a negioated moment. But, what does Clinton have to negiotiate with? She's not getting Obama's support for VP, she won't take a Cabinet post because it'll marginalize her in the end (Condi Rice was much touted, but her gender and race counted much more for the hoopla around her). It wasn't giving her a floor vote for VP, splitting with Biden and a third to give her some support, she's going to get that anyway from her supporters.

This was pure Clinton. The showing is "she put him as the nominee, wasn't that nice," and in 2012, after she gently torpedoes Obama, she'll be the front runner and after this past year, she'll take it in a walk.

[BrianK]

What is really scary in all of this is how the good of the party to get Obama elected far outweighs the good of the country.

Prior to this fiasco the Clintons put forth all kinds of reasons Obama shouldn't be president. Now somehow Obama is the superior candidate?

Then my favorite is how Michelle Obama went from oppressed to an average everyday mom.

Is it possible young minds have been so programmed that they don't understand that re-distribution of wealth means the Gov. will spend their money & the "CHANGE" will be the few coins left in their pockets.

[Shooterman]

Leo and Brian, Gunga Dins, y'all are much braver that I to sit through that crap. I watched some grass growing and then some paint drying and had a wonderful evening.

I figure I will get approximately the same buzz when the PUBS have their little tete-e-tete.

Where oh where are the conventions of old, when the candidates still stank from all the smoke filled back rooms, credentials were hammered out, planks were decided ( none ever followed ) protesters protested. Ah, for the good old days.

[Snowden]

Originally Posted by Shooterman

Leo and Brian, Gunga Dins, y'all are much braver that I to sit through that crap. I watched some grass growing and then some paint drying and had a wonderful evening.

I figure I will get approximately the same buzz when the PUBS have their little tete-e-tete.

Where oh where are the conventions of old, when the candidates still stank from all the smoke filled back rooms, credentials were hammered out, planks were decided ( none ever followed ) protesters protested. Ah, for the good old days.

Amen.

The voters will no doubt prove the politicians right about their lack of intelligence, unfortunately.

Shooterman, my grass grew a fraction of an inch last night -- nothing painted anew here, but I'm sure watching it dry would be equally entertaining, if not more so, that the staged acts of a bunch of politicos.

The smoke-filled back rooms gave us some good men; this lot never will.

[leobold1]

Actually, Clinton's grandstanding was good political theater.

Then, Bill's speech was a surprise. He said Obama was the best candidate.

He also, like Obama, gave great and lofty goals with little substance.

Problem is, the new people watching these are enthralled and are seeing Hillary in a new light. They think its genuine.

[Shooterman]

Originally Posted by Snowden

Amen.

The voters will no doubt prove the politicians right about their lack of intelligence, unfortunately.

Shooterman, my grass grew a fraction of an inch last night -- nothing painted anew here, but I'm sure watching it dry would be equally entertaining, if not more so, that the staged acts of a bunch of politicos.

The smoke-filled back rooms gave us some good men; this lot never will.

Yes'm, but those smoke filled back rooms also gave us a fair share of clowns. Just possibly though, they were a higher class of clown. Let's face it. the process that we now use to divine our leaders forces them to make an attempt to be all things to all people which is an impossibility.

[Woodmonkey]

Originally Posted by Shooterman

Yes'm, but those smoke filled back rooms also gave us a fair share of clowns. Just possibly though, they were a higher class of clown. Let's face it.

Those smoke filled rooms kept out women and minorities and didn't give us anyone better. It was all done in secret so anything went.