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| Enlisted Warrior ![]() | I am not sure whose been watching the Democratic Convention, I haven't watched any of it, BUT I happened to catch the video on Senator Obama, and I liked what he had to say, a very inclusive message and one that sparked hope for me, this young 42 year old whose Mother is White and Father is Kenyan. For me, there wasn't a ounce of hatred in his speech. [/quote]Obama's father was a member of Kenya's Luo tribe, born on the shores of Lake Victoria. He met Obama's mother, who was white, when both were students at the University of Hawaii. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/...in632210.shtml [/quote] For me, I found his speech to be very inclusive, full of diversity, which is something I take to heart and that is treating all people with respect for their cultural makeup regardless of where they are from, b/c we are a rich nation full of rich cultures and that for me is what makes the world go round. The surname however, ugh, a little too close for some I'm sure. But, putting all political hatred and party lines aside, I'd like to know what some thought about his speech? I know I for one have placed some distance in between me and what's on the boob tube simply b/c I am sick and tired of the bashing and division that is currently being created between both parties, and some people in general who simply have just gone overboard here with this up and coming election -- I hate what I am seeing and hearing. I've not made my mind up which way I will be voting. This is indeed a tough decision here. However, I am all for ushering in more young hopefuls like Senator Obama and that young representative from Tennessee, Congressman Harold Ford. There is hope after all... Here's his speech, but the video is very powerful... Quote:
__________________ La Huesera, Bone Woman; La Trapera, The Gather; and La Loba, Wolf Woman... "We all begin as a bundle of bones lost somewhere in a dessert, a dismantled skeleton that lies under the sand. It is our work to recover the parts....La Loba indicates what we are to look for--the indestructible life force, the bones." La Loba sings... Clarissa Pinkola Estes' Women Who Run With the Wolves Last edited by La Loba; 07-29-2004 at 15:45. | |
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| Head Zookeeper ![]() | He is a superb speaker, has alot of charisma, and has rocketed to the top of the Democratic party. He represents hope for many people, and I'm glad he is from my home state. Of course, the Republicans cannot even find anyone to run against him. Basically, whoever volunteers is going to be decisively beaten. Not a real enthusiastic prospect.
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| Junior Officer ![]() | After reading that speech I feel depressed not hopeful. I didn’t know that America somehow was no longer the land of opportunity. There is a ray of hope though in the speech. Regaining lost jobs as promised sure sounds good. The promise of $7.00 an hour or an 8 hr work day $56.00 a day jobs is going to change for the better per the “hope” promised. Jobs will be created is the “hope” promised. I “hope” those Mexicans working for $1.69 an hour or working for 33 hours to equal one days pay of $56.00 don’t move here to take those jobs. Even worse would be Chinese workers making 69 cents an hour or working 81 hours to equal that one day pay of the lowly $56.00 don’t invade us for the new better paying jobs. No sweat we will outdo those countries with technology. 1st. we have to “hope” those 50,000 students here from India don’t learn to much & go back to start up companies that can successfully compete in advancing technology. Personally I applaud the gov. of India for seeking to improve the economics of their country. The people there are willing to travel to & learn from a source that can provide opportunity they don't expect the gov. to do it for them. While "hope" & hopeful " are words used over & over the underlying expectation here is for gov. to make jobs & make employers pay high wages. You have to read carefully to see how that is the subtle message presented in the democratic platform. Pure economics tells me that “hope” & the return of good high paying jobs as promised as part of the democratic platform that Obama articulated is really one defined in the old saying. “If it sounds to good to be true; it probably is”. Reality sucks, but facing reality & dealing with it as the world economy churns forward will take more than hollow promises of “hope"
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| Enlisted Warrior ![]() | BrianK, his speech had the direct opposite affect on me. A chill actually went up my spill b/c he was talking my talk on diversity and oneness. So, when I tell you I had stopped watching all this political mess, for the second time around -- I have. When I thought it was safe to get back in the waters of cable news, I ran out again. I'm amongst the 10% undecided though I'm a registered Democrat. I haven't voted as such for years now and may not vote this coming year unless I see some real, note worthy actions put forth by both candiates and I'm speaking walking the walk that they both are talking. Remember, Bush was as green as they get coming into office as president. So saying he has four years under his belt over Kerry doesn't get it for me -- not at all! My fleshly dilemmas with both Bush & Kerry... I like Bush though I didn't vote for him, and would love to see him move Cheney, Rumsfeld & Rice off his ticket and out of his cabinet. Why b/c they represent some of the reasons why Bush has had to come out an apologize for various acts with this war. I like his stance on preserving the union of marriage between man and woman. This doesn't say I hate those who believe and live the lifestyle of homosexuality. Bush has a down home boy touch about him that I like regardless of how he got in office which was wrong, I like him and I have put aside my dislikes and anger about how he came to be President. Kerry, hmmm, knowing that he and Bush, their families come from the same stomping grounds, hmmm, I just haven't put my finger on it yet, but there is something unsettling here. As far as his wife's business, well I hope what I am hearing isn't true about her outsourcing and who she supports financially. If that be the case, and I have expressed my concerns in writing to Kerry as well as my concerns to Bush, that we need to clean up our own back yard first before we help others or even case the first stone at against their the opponent. If Kerry sincerely means what he says about dealing with those businesses outsourcing jobs, then let them take the first step in bringing back jobs to American by their actions. Yes, Teresa Heinz-Kerry needs to set & be the example. Yes, I wanna see action! I wanna see what Senator Obama talked about in his speech this week -- come to pass, and everyone put the bashing and hatred and division aside and work together to clean up our own back yards first. So the Senator's speech gave me some hope for the future. We need more young people like him taking the reigns over in the government and doing and being what they say they are with the hopes that they don't get caught up in the comfort of politics. There's politics and then there's effective, salt-n-light politics. THAT is when they represent the WE the people who puts them in office! Sorry for the long rant. I'm pretty strong about things and my beliefs!
__________________ La Huesera, Bone Woman; La Trapera, The Gather; and La Loba, Wolf Woman... "We all begin as a bundle of bones lost somewhere in a dessert, a dismantled skeleton that lies under the sand. It is our work to recover the parts....La Loba indicates what we are to look for--the indestructible life force, the bones." La Loba sings... Clarissa Pinkola Estes' Women Who Run With the Wolves Last edited by La Loba; 07-29-2004 at 17:05. |
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| Racy Ol' Lady ![]() | To me, this young man is a model to be followed by all people of color - any color; black, white, red, yellow, or mixtures of these. I could easily support what he says - until he starts talking about Kerry. He lost me there. Quote:
It seems that two men who served with Kerry still see something good about that service. The rest have combined to write a book which will be out in August, telling what they believe about him. NewsMax has it. In the two decades Kerry was in the the Senate - and still receives pay despite campaigning for a higher office - he has voted against all the things I consider valuable. He voted for abortion, against military weapons, military protective equipment, anything military including increased pay and medical coverage. Or so I've read in the papers. Quote:
Is there anything in his voting record to support this belief? I'm asking - I don't know. Frankly, I'm inclined to doubt it. Heinz does have a good many overseas plants and jobs, but he has nothing to do with Heinz other than the widow he married. He divorced his first wife and married this one - without asking the Catholic Church for the annulment it requires. So much for his "faith," by the way. If one is a Catholic, he should respect it or go to a more comfortable denomination. Even the Orthodox allow remarriage after a divorce; Rome does not. Quote:
Again, I would like to know in what way he has indicated this. Has he spoken of it or voted for anything like it. Has he been busy writing up a bill that would give all Americans free medical care of the best doctors and hospitals available? I hope not, really. Only his wife could afford to pay the taxes needed for that kind of coverage for the average America. And she watches her pennies to the extent of giving trick or treat kids small foil encased samples of Heinz ketchup. Quote:
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I hope so - but I just can't believe it. So far he hasn't shown a tendency to be faithful to any one thing other than money. Especially rich women. Quote:
Quote: Most of us believe this - certainly Mr. Obama seems to. I like this young man, but I believe he's trusting someone who cannot be trusted. I hope he's right and I'm wrong, because at this point Zogby is predicting a victory for John Kerry. His tort lawyer running mate, who went from rags to riches by suing doctors and making their insurance and our medical care so costly, seems afraid to run for a second Senate term in North Carolina. He didn't have their support in the primaries, if I remember correctly - doesn't that tell us something? I hope we see a lot of Mr. Obama; he's the type of politician who is, himself, an honest man I believe. Maybe the innocence in himself is why he trusts Kerry so much. Time will tell. War should never be a first option - unless it is so obviously the only option. We're fighting Islam, which has slowly crawled over the face of the earth and gained sufficient strength for the fanatics to believe now is the time to answer the demand it has to rule the world. Most of this crawl has been done without any real notice.
__________________ Life's a banquet and most poor suckers are starving to death! MOTM, Jan 2005, Aug 2007 Golden Cookie Award, 2005. Aug 2006 Perv of the Month Perv. Outreach Award, 2007 Last edited by Snowden; 07-29-2004 at 17:15. | |||||||
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| Junior Officer ![]() | La Loba The call for diversity works for anyone that believes that everyone has something to offer. Having worked for a company that includes diversity as a key element of their operational philosophy I know for a fact it works. Employees both salaried & union either accept the guidelines or look for work elsewhere. That is the message that is upheld & enforced. It feels good & sounds good to promote the ideals but accomplishing the goal universally in America leaves a lot to be desired. Since the 60’s it’s been an ongoing both party platform staple, eventually it will happen. I don’t think it will happen because of political pressure or law I think it will happen because inter racial marriage & the efforts by organizations like the ACLU to change the moral value of our way of life. I’m not saying that diversity is immoral I’m saying change will come about because society as a whole is changing & that change won’t be mandated by laws. I cited as part of the democratic platform the jobs & wage promise. Since jobs are a hot issue & much of what takes place on our domestic front relates to employment what are your thoughts on America’s ability to be competitive in the world market. Will our wages price us out or is the promise of higher wages & 12 million good paying new jobs possible? A quick aside to this particular section. I heard on the News that John Kerry would have immediately adopted the recommendations of the 9/11 commission. Pres. Bush wanted to take time to review.Anyone want to comment on which makes more sense? As for being president & having experience I view that as an ever changing on the job type of position. The best way to succeed then is to have the top advisors in their field as cabinet members. It works backwards from those people on down. There will be successes & failures along the way; humans aren't omnisient. Part of deciding about the upcomming election. Are the present advisors adapting to changing conditions as we fight the WOT? Who would replace those advisors & what wiould they do? I haven't heard that as part of any democratic strategy for winning the WOT. I know what is in place now & agree with most of the strategy.
__________________ "The only thing that makes life possible is permanent, intolerable uncertainty, not knowing what comes next." Ursula K. Leguin |
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