‘Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell’ Hits Women Much More

[leobold1]

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/23/wa...AlNbAoUXA3TQQg

By THOM SHANKER
WASHINGTON — The Army and Air Force discharged a disproportionate number of women in 2007 under the “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy that prohibits openly gay people from serving in the military, according to Pentagon statistics gathered by an advocacy group.

While women make up 14 percent of Army personnel, 46 percent of those discharged under the policy last year were women. And while 20 percent of Air Force personnel are women, 49 percent of its discharges under the policy last year were women.

By comparison for 2006, about 35 percent of the Army’s discharges and 36 percent of the Air Force’s were women, according to the statistics.

The information was gathered under a Freedom of Information Act request by the Servicemembers Legal Defense Network, a policy advocacy organization.

“Women make up 15 percent of the armed forces, so to find they represent nearly 50 percent of Army and Air Force discharges under ‘don’t ask, don’t tell’ is shocking,” said Aubrey Sarvis, the organization’s executive director. “Women in particular have been caught in the crosshairs of this counterproductive law.”

The organization compiled gender statistics on the discharges, but conducted no formal set of interviews and thus could offer no verifiable reason for the increase in women separated from the military under “don’t ask, don’t tell.”

The Pentagon in recent days released overall numbers of discharges under the policy for 2007, without a breakdown by gender.

Over all, the number of gay men and lesbians discharged from the military in 2007 rose to 627 from 612 a year before, according to Pentagon statistics. Those figures represent a drop of about 50 percent from a peak in 2001, before the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Despite stress on the armed forces from two wars, the Pentagon is not advocating a change in policy, saying it is up to Congress to decide whether the law should be altered or repealed.

November was the 14th anniversary of the legislation that allows gay men and lesbians to serve in the military, but only if they keep their sexual orientation secret.

Advocacy groups say that 65,000 gay men and lesbians serve in the American armed forces and that there are more than one million gay veterans.

Early last year, Gen. John M. Shalikashvili, who was chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff when the policy was adopted, argued for its repeal, saying that conversations with military personnel had prompted him to change his position.

“I now believe that if gay men and lesbians served openly in the United States military, they would not undermine the efficacy of the armed forces,” General Shalikashvili wrote in an Op-Ed article published in The New York Times on Jan. 2, 2007. “Our military has been stretched thin by our deployments in the Middle East, and we must welcome the service of any American who is willing and able to do the job.”

According to the statistics, the Army in 2007 discharged 302 soldiers under the policy, up from 280 the year before. The Air Force dismissed 91 people, down from 102 in 2006. The Navy discharged 166, the same as in 2006. The Marine Corps discharged 68, up from 64 in 2006.

“Separated members have the opportunity to continue to serve their nation and national security by putting their abilities to use by way of civilian employment with other federal agencies, the Department of Defense or in the private sector, such as with a government contractor,” said Eileen M. Lainez, a Pentagon spokeswoman on personnel issues. “We expect all service members to be treated with dignity and respect all the time.”

Pentagon officials could not explain why the numbers for women spiked last year.

[Snowden]

I had never thought of this, but it makes sense, doesn't it. These women's brains are probably 'wired' the way a man's brain is. They are finding a lot of new facts about people, and about homosexuals of both genders.

[leobold1]

It may be just me, but I know more women homosexuals in uniform than I do men homosexuals. I probably know more men, but they're closeted, and I don't know ABOUT them.

[Woodmonkey]

I wonder why more lesbians get caught? Do they talk more? Act out more? Get more complaints?

[leobold1]

Originally Posted by Woodmonkey

I wonder why more lesbians get caught? Do they talk more? Act out more? Get more complaints?

The ones I knew? Most admitted it (mainly right after 9/11 when we were headed to Afghanistan, and during the build up for Iraq), but I think a few were faking, like they did once or twice (if that), but wasn't their preference, just a little change of pace every now and again.

The others were outed. They say "hell hath no fury like a woman scorned", and they were outed by their former significant others.

That's including one who was in Iraq at the time and got shipped home for the investigation and then was discharged. She'd been in country for about 2 months total, now works for Dynacorp in Kuwait making 5 times what she made before, doing the same job.

The guys all outed themselves, mainly to avoid Afghanistan and Iraq. I think some of them were faking as well.

[Woodmonkey]

Thanks, Jeff. That makes sense.

Weren't the significant others who did the outing also outed and booted?