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Old 02-03-2008, 02:09   #1 (permalink)
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Post Poland Says It Has Agreed to US Shield

Poland Says It Has Agreed to US Shield

Feb 1 02:53 PM US/Eastern
By DESMOND BUTLER
Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON (AP) - Poland said Friday it has reached an agreement in principle with the United States on plans to install a missile defense system on Polish territory.

Polish Foreign Minister Radek Sikorski says that after meetings with U.S. officials, he is satisfied that the United States will deal with security problems that Poland wanted addressed as part of an eventual deal.

The announcement should add momentum to a project the Bush administration has said it hopes to start building this year. The project, a major source of tension with Russia, had looked stalled since the Polish government of Donald Tusk sought new demands after taking office in November.

Sikorski did not outline the terms of the deal, but in a joint appearance with Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice after a working lunch, the two officials suggested that the U.S. would help with Polish air defenses, as Poland had sought.

"We understand that there is a desire for defense modernization in Poland, and particularly for air defense modernization in Poland," Rice said. "This is something that we support because it will make our ally, Poland, more capable, it will make Poland, as the foreign minister has said, more able to operate with us."

Sikorski said that negotiators would continue to work on the details of an agreement that would allow the U.S. to install 10 interceptors as part of a long- range European missile defense system.

"We are not at the end of the road as regards negotiations. We are in the middle of the road," he said. "We have an agreement in principle."

He sought to address concerns about the U.S. air defense aid that are likely to be expressed by Russia, which has already strongly objected to the missile defense plans. Russia has threatened to retarget nuclear missiles at Poland to counter what it sees as a U.S. attempt to undermine the Russian military deterrent.

"The reinforced Polish air defenses are not directed against anybody," Sikorski said. "They are to enable Poland to be a stronger NATO ally with the United States, to enable Poland to take part in operations, in out-of-area operations, in joint operations."

But the air defense system that Poland has asked for help in building would seem to be aimed at addressing worries about Russia's threats. Polish officials have previously expressed interest in acquiring short- and mid-range air defenses—Patriot or THAAD missiles—from the United States.

The United States has dismissed Russian concerns about the proposed long range missile defense system, saying it is intended to protect Western countries from missiles fired from Iran and would be impotent against Russia's massive arsenal.

"It is true that the United States once had a Strategic Defense Initiative, a program that was intended to deal with the question of the Russian strategic nuclear threat," Rice said, referring to a Reagan-era program also known as Star Wars. "This is not that program. This is not the son of that program. This is not the grandson of that program."

If the two sides reach a deal, it would vindicate Tusk and Sikorski's strategy of asking more from Washington in exchange for Poland's support in military operations in Iraq and Afghanistan, as well as the missile defense system.

The previous Polish government of former Prime Minister Jaroslaw Kaczynski, who opened talks early last year, firmly supported the plan without the additional demands.
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Old 02-03-2008, 02:23   #2 (permalink)
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I thought this would finally go through in spite of Russia's opposition.
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Old 02-03-2008, 10:22   #3 (permalink)
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Default Re: Poland Says It Has Agreed to US Shield

It seems that Russia's opposition would merely add to the reason for putting it in Poland. You can't help wondering why those in Russia didn't think of that possibility. Poland saw Hitler march into a poorly defended Poland in 1939, wasn't it? About then. The Polish Army at that time was cavalry -- with horses, not tanks. They couldn't withstand Nazi forces and the country fell quickly in spite of the undeniable courage of the Polish Army.

Russia is the threat today, and a nasty threat. Poland needs the protection.
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Old 02-03-2008, 10:54   #4 (permalink)
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Default Re: Poland Says It Has Agreed to US Shield

of course the russians oppose it...but it is needed....last year the russians were running flight patterns which to them on cold war routes.. flying to England and even to the US coast.
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Old 02-03-2008, 23:31   #5 (permalink)
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Default Re: Poland Says It Has Agreed to US Shield

Poland has been hoping that if anything happens, they're wondering if it'll turn out like September, 1939, again. They stood alone while the rest of the world talked and wrote letters. And they were annhilated.

Getting this makes the US part of the defense and gives them security.

Russia is watching its former Warsaw Pact minions head with open arms to NATO, feeling like they are getting back to the former global isolation that they suffered throughout the Cold War.

And their exercises look like they're trying to re-ignite the Cold War.
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Default Re: Poland Says It Has Agreed to US Shield

It really seems as if the Cold War was on recess; not gone at all.

Poland needs this for protection and for reassurance that somebody else does care about Poland's security. Standing alone in the close proximity with Russia that they have -- and Russia now has the world's largest army, I understand -- they are understandably nervous about that country-grabbing neighbor.

China's army may be larger, I am a big unsure about that -- but China is not interested in Poland. Russia is.
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