To Build a Wall, or Not?

[Shooterman]

Latest US solution to Iraq's civil war: a three-mile wall | Iraq | Guardian Unlimited

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The US military is building a three-mile concrete wall in the centre of Baghdad along the most murderous faultline between Sunni and Shia Muslims.

The wall, which recognises the reality of the hardening sectarian divide in Baghdad, is a central part of George Bush's final push to pacify the capital. Work began on April 10 under cover of darkness and is due for completion by the end of the month.

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Although Baghdad is full of barriers and checkpoints, particularly round the Green Zone where the US and British are based along with the Iraq government, this is the first time a wall has been built along sectarian lines.

Its construction comes as the security situation appears to be deteriorating despite the recent US troop "surge". This week a bombing at the Sadriya market in the city killed 140 people - the deadliest in the capital since the 2003 invasion.

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The Baghdad wall, which will be 12ft (3,5 metres) high, is being built by US paratroopers who left Camp Taji, about 20 miles north of the city, on the first night in a dozen trucks carrying stacks of huge concrete barriers, each weighing 14,000 pounds (6,300kg). Cranes, protected by tanks, winched them into place. Building has continued every night since.

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There was confusion about the wall at US HQ. Major-General William Caldwell, the usual US spokesman in Baghdad, said on Wednesday he was unaware of efforts to build a wall. "Our goal is to unify Baghdad, not subdivide it into separate [enclaves]," he said. But a US military press release from Camp Victory provided extensive details about the construction. It said: "The area the wall will protect is the largest predominately Sunni neighbourhood in east Baghdad. The wall is one of the centrepieces of a new strategy by coalition and Iraqi forces to break the cycle of sectarian violence."

Strange a wall will work in Baghdad, but not on our Southern Border.

[cato2]

Do not need a wall on our southern border.

[Shooterman]

Originally Posted by cato2

Do not need a wall on our southern border.

Then pray tell us, Oh Great Guru, how the hell do we stop the influx of the Illegal Aliens into this country.

[cato2]

Come down extremely hard on the employer is how you stop that to the point that they do not dare hire one. If they can be shown to have a history of hiring then, like the construction industry, put them out of business.

But be ready to pay a higher price.

[Shooterman]

Originally Posted by cato2

Come down extremely hard on the employer is how you stop that to the point that they do not dare hire one. If they can be shown to have a history of hiring then, like the construction industry, put them out of business.

But be ready to pay a higher price.

Well, there is some thought as to whether the fat cats, whether PUB or DIM, actually want to have the source of cheap labor dry up. The possibilities are very strong they do not.

Considering we are already paying higher prices ( via taxes to support the welfare benes and medical care for these people ) the threat of higher prices, though used by those opposed to cutting off the Illegal Aliens, seems to be a hollow point, at best.

Throw in the additional 60 to 100 million immigrants we will have in the next 20 years or so if Mr Bush's comprehensive Shamnesty program takes effect, and we will be screwed.

[cato2]

If you do not shut off employment opportunities and vote in people that will do just that, then your throwing money away building a wall. Word will spread quickly that they will not be finding jobs. You want to prioritize an effective solution then you seek out the politicians that will go against big business and seek to harm the employer that is using their labor. If you ignore that, then they will continue to come, wall or no wall.

[Shooterman]

Originally Posted by cato2

If you do not shut off employment opportunities and vote in people that will do just that, then your throwing money away building a wall. Word will spread quickly that they will not be finding jobs. You want to prioritize an effective solution then you seek out the politicians that will go against big business and seek to harm the employer that is using their labor. If you ignore that, then they will continue to come, wall or no wall.

I do understand your thought, and I definitely agree to a point. The problem arises that without a wall or some means of forcibly keeping the Aliens out, they will continue to come and continue to work under the table, so to speak, as many do at present. That is one reason the actual number of Illegals in the country is not known and may be as high as 30 million or more.