U.S. coming apart at the seams

[Woodmonkey]

Originally Posted by odannyboy

And we aint learned a damn thing from Katrin a, except every man, woman and child for themselves.

No, we haven't and neither have the people in NO. They reelected the dumbass mayor who turned down the offer from Amtrack to take people out for free, let those buses sit there and get flooded instead of filling them up and moving people out. He didn't even implement the plans that were made. He had no food put into that coliseum.

Then the governor turned down Bush's offer because she needed to consult with her people so she could maintain control. That cost about 24 hours in response time.

The mayor and governor were first responders in that and they blew it.

[odannyboy]

Originally Posted by Woodmonkey

Then the governor turned down Bush's offer because she needed to consult with her people so she could maintain control. That cost about 24 hours in response time.

The mayor and governor were first responders in that and they blew it.

The mayor blew it and is incredibly stupid. He was on 60 Minutes tonight, man, that guys is completely clueless. But likewise so is the Federal Govt.

The Governor said she spent hours over a couple days trying to reach someone in control in Washington and got NO ONE. Bush was in Crawford and then California clowning around, Cheney was on vacation in Wyoming, and Condi Rice was busy shoe shopping in Manhattan.

And, of course, the Governor was not about to turn over control to Bush, she is a SMART WOMAN, anyone in their right mind is not going to turn over control of ANYTHING to that person.

[odannyboy]

Originally Posted by KBay84

If Clinton didn't dislike the military, and the economy was directly due to his efforts (so you say in complete disreguard of Reagan's efforts), then WHY did Clinton give us the lowest pay raise ever in recent history? And not just once either. You should remember that as I think you were in at that time. I remember the pay raises before him and after him...his, in my 22 years, were the lowest.

Oh, and I can't recall a time when Clinton actually saluted the Marine guards like the majority of other presidents, both Rep & Dem. Zero respect.

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On the one hand we have no pay raises and not enough respect shown to embassy guards.

On the other hand we have 2600 dead, 20,000 wounded, the toll showing no signs of letting up, perhaps increasing, all in a completely unnecessary war, and cutting VA funding for all kinds of medical care when you send soldiers into a meatgrinder based on lies.

Hmmmm...............I'm not having a whole lot of trouble determining who I think is the more harmful of these two men, who caused more problems for the military than the other.

But of course, it dont matter, as Clinton is evil, so everything else he did does not matter. And George W. Bush is doing Gods work and is a devout Christian, so he's good to go.

Sure. In Bizarro World.

[BrianK]

The metals used, technology failures at LAX plus the other ills that are surfacing are truly a wonder. Or at least a partial mystery how all this is just now surfacing ahead of the Nov. elections. It's the overnight deterioration that puzzles me. Meanwhile there is this.

["Infrastructure deficiencies will further erode our global competitiveness, but with the federal budget so committed to mandatory spending, it's unclear how we are going to deal with this challenge as we fall further and further behind in addressing these problems," Hagel said in a speech last year. "We need to think creatively.]

What would happen if a portion of Soc. Sec. was an elective to purchase bonds to rebuild the infrastruture? Bond issues that paid a monthly yield which compounded tax free. That portion of those that chose would have a legislated guarantee that all proceeds would not be in the general fund. That portion of their future Soc. Sec. would accumulate with NO GOVERNMENT draw against it. In other words something would be in their account in the future. Not a best guess about what might be there 30 years from now.

The real heart of the problem of infrastruture deterioration and other ills is in this paragrapgh.

[But experts say the law is riddled with some 5,000 "earmarks" for projects sought by members of Congress that do nothing to systematically address the problem]

The American public understands Pork Barrel Projects. If blame is to be placed then it should be on the voters for re-electing representation that will get "jobs" at the expense of America in general.

[Scrappy]

Originally Posted by Snowden

Actually, I didn't say that, Dan. I merely said Clinton told his body guards that he hated the military and hated them. Can you imagine Saddam saying such a thing to his body guards when he was leader in Iraq?

It simply shows me a couple things about Clinton - who is not the subject of this thread - but even so, I believe it demonstrates a small man who would insult the very men who were charged with keeping him alive, and it is a man who lacks personal courage on at least a subconscious level. I could be wrong - may be wrong. But to me to hate the people who protect you indicates to me a lack of intelligence, and to tell those people to their face that he dislikes them - the president, for Pete's sake - is beyond comprehension common and unfeeling.

Originally Posted by Snowden

I didn't intend to go there - but not liking Bush is one thing; don't think my opinion of him has anything in the world to do with the absolute disgust I have for Clinton. Both Clintons.

Sorry - my rant is done. But, Dan - don't put words in my mouth, okay? I can speak for myself. Oh - one last word. I do think Bush is at least morally better than Clinton. And, again, I could be wrong. If so, he's sneakier.

DOH! don't call Bush sneaky, that could give him to much credit.

[Scrappy]

Originally Posted by odannyboy

The mayor blew it and is incredibly stupid. He was on 60 Minutes tonight, man, that guys is completely clueless. But likewise so is the Federal Govt.

The Governor said she spent hours over a couple days trying to reach someone in control in Washington and got NO ONE. Bush was in Crawford and then California clowning around, Cheney was on vacation in Wyoming, and Condi Rice was busy shoe shopping in Manhattan.

And, of course, the Governor was not about to turn over control to Bush, she is a SMART WOMAN, anyone in their right mind is not going to turn over control of ANYTHING to that person.

I have to disagree dan. The timeline states that the levees fell, and by day 3 the governor the governor of LA was asked if she'd allow the troops to be federalized. Blanco's story is a lie, she got everone on the phone, but was to dumb to react. Everything was in place before it hit, and she didn't want to turn over the reigns, so you get the aftermath. Her lack of command and control, even over the mayor, got new orleans the short end. I'm thankful and praise the ACE for it's endeavors without complete authorization.

I'm sorry you feel that Blanco is a smart woman, but she's played politics with the lives of those affected, yet won't take responsibility. She's just the same as Nagin, just white and female. She's a da, and should've let the fed gov handle what the state couldn't. That's why we're a union. Screw politics.

[Scrappy]

Originally Posted by Woodmonkey

No, we haven't and neither have the people in NO. They reelected the dumbass mayor who turned down the offer from Amtrack to take people out for free, let those buses sit there and get flooded instead of filling them up and moving people out. He didn't even implement the plans that were made. He had no food put into that coliseum.

Then the governor turned down Bush's offer because she needed to consult with her people so she could maintain control. That cost about 24 hours in response time.

The mayor and governor were first responders in that and they blew it.

You are correct, it starts from local, county/parish, state. She had bad bad council. Then it was hard to coordinate.... It's all bush's fault, had nothing to do with the local authority, bush declared anarchy, and held back aid from the poor black folks. bush is a racist, down with the man

Blanco and Nagin the Ideal interracial couple, Nagin cursing for help, and the white woman whipping him for asking for help from whitey Bush (musta been jealous) and saying NO. who's more whipped the people who voted for Blanco, or those who voted for Nagin? from what I've heard from a brother coming out of Katrina, there's nothing more dumb than relying on others for your well being.