Conceal and carry do you agree?

[Woodmonkey]

Originally Posted by DocDiggs

This is hilarious! I'm the only one who voted against this! . Dear G*d! We're reverting to a nation of western freakin' gunslingers! Amazing! What's next? Callouts on Main Street to prove who's faster and better at killing the other guy? I suggest y'all keep a watch out for the motorist rage shootings, et al, that are inevitably going to happen...and, I might add, have already happened in at least one instance in a gun toting state. Protection? From whom? The dork in the car behind you that you cut off without realizing it? The poor slob who's stupid enough to use your back yard as a shortcut to the next street? The dumba*s who's injudicious enough to smile at your kid or grandchild who smiled at them first?

You sound like a gun control fan, Doc. It should come as no surprise to you that this, a military site, is basically Conservative, especially in this. The rest of us would like to exercise our rights too and that means carrying weapons whether you choose to try and make fun of us about it or not. Open your eyes Doc and see how the crime rates go down in states that allow their citizens to exercise their rights than in the Big Brother states. It appears that criminals are afraid when law abiding citizens can defend themselves. That's as it should be.

[JohnRN]

To me, gun ownership - or for that matter ANY owndership - has nothing to do with crime, protection or any such.

A man can and should be able to own what he pleases - so long as he doesn't cause harm to others.

I don't own a gun or guns - but I support those who own them, or cross bows, or hunting knives, or cut-throat razors....

But if said owner commites a crime using weapons - criminal should have the book thrown at him. Actually, it's a bit superfluous - it doesn't matter if a murder is commited with poison, a knife or an M-16. Murder is still murder.

[sfga6970]

Originally Posted by DocDiggs

This is hilarious! I'm the only one who voted against this! . Dear G*d! We're reverting to a nation of western freakin' gunslingers! Amazing! What's next? Callouts on Main Street to prove who's faster and better at killing the other guy? I suggest y'all keep a watch out for the motorist rage shootings, et al, that are inevitably going to happen...and, I might add, have already happened in at least one instance in a gun toting state. Protection? From whom? The dork in the car behind you that you cut off without realizing it? The poor slob who's stupid enough to use your back yard as a shortcut to the next street? The dumba*s who's injudicious enough to smile at your kid or grandchild who smiled at them first?

Sorry Doc, but I have to disagree with you here. The people that legally apply for a license, receive it and carry a sidearm are not the ones who you have to worry about. It's the loonies that aren't approved and obtain their guns illegally that are the problem. You can get a carry permit here in NY, it's a long process but it can be done. Almost all of the firearms murders and killings are caused by illegal weapons not by licensed gun owners.

[Carnage_59]

Originally Posted by The_Federalist

It is perfectly legal (and reasonable) for a private establishment to restrict the carrying of firearms on their private property.

I don't have a right to carry a weapon on any persons (including corporations) property if they feel for any reason that they don't want me to do so. And failing to leave the premises after fair warning would constitute criminal trespassing, regardless of any state or local laws that allow for wearing firearms in public.

I agree with you when it comes to private property. What did happen is that the manager of the store did not notify the people who were carrying and called the police. The police had NO LEGAL RIGHT to seize the guns nor ticket them.

Virginia law does allow for private property owners to ban the carrying of weapons but the law REQUIRES that a sign must be posted prominently saying such.

Starbuck's did neither.

[StrBrite]

Originally Posted by scotto

Handgun Conceal and Carry

• Does your state have a low that allows Conceal and carry?
• Do you agree with this law?
• Why?
• Do you have a Conceal and carry permit?

Yes my state has a law that allows us to conceal and carry.
I agree with this law because we have a constitutional right to have firearms.
If others that should not have weapons want them to do harm, they will get a gun whether they have a permit or not. There are so many illegal gun holders out there.
Taking our right away will in no way change the death of others. But in my opinion will in fact protect many who have them.
I have a permit and a few guns and I am a responsible gun owner. They are locked up in a large sentry safe I bought at our local gun store.
I go along with the state of New Hampshire and their state saying " Live Free Or Die"

[The_Federalist]

Originally Posted by Carnage_59

I agree with you when it comes to private property. What did happen is that the manager of the store did not notify the people who were carrying and called the police. The police had NO LEGAL RIGHT to seize the guns nor ticket them.

Virginia law does allow for private property owners to ban the carrying of weapons but the law REQUIRES that a sign must be posted prominently saying such.

Starbuck's did neither.

I do believe there are also certain locations deemed by both frederal and state laws to be offlimits for firearms. Schools, federal buildings, banks, and also establishments that primarly sell alcohol.

[Carnage_59]

Originally Posted by The_Federalist

I do believe there are also certain locations deemed by both frederal and state laws to be offlimits for firearms. Schools, federal buildings, banks, and also establishments that primarly sell alcohol.

I'm curious.

Why federal buildings??? In state and local government buildings in Virginia one cannot carry concealed but can still carry open. We've had no incidents here.

We have a super lefty on the county board here in Loudoun County is so far to the left even the Dems here don't want him. He's tried to get all shooting banned in the county and failed. The last time he tried over 120 people showed up with iron on their hips and this whacko demanded the sherriff remove all the people with guns. The sherriff politely told this member of the country board that it was within their rights to carry openly and that no crime was being committed by carrying openly. These people weren't waving the guns, just carrying in holsters.

Banks are private property. Any owner of private property can ban guns. That goes with what I said above.

Virginia does not allow weapons in establishments that serve alcohol unless they are openly carried. Even so, the owner can ban guns. In some states, possession of weapons is allowed in alcohol establishments but as long as the possessor is not consuming alcohol.

In Texas, there was an incident where a deranged individual entered a restaurant and started shooing people. A woman was there eating dinner with her parents. The deranged person shot her parents in front of her. The woman whose parents were shot did have a concealed carry permit, but had left her weapon locked in the car in accordance with Texas law.

I'm tired of people thinking guns are bad just because they are guns. It's not guns, it's the people who misuse them who are the problem.