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| Junior Officer ![]() | Revised Sept. 11 Panel Report Released By LESLIE MILLER Tuesday, September 13, 2005; 10:17 PM Quote:
On the Net: To see the report: http://www.archives.gov/research/9-11-commission/ In that page you will find the link for the National Commission on Terrorist Attacts upon the United States. Quote:
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| Monkey Mouse ![]() | Time will tell if this version is anymore credible than the original one. They somehow neglected to put anything in about Able Danger. Third Source Backs 'Able Danger' Claims About Atta - Third Source Backs 'Able Danger' Claims About Atta
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| Enlisted Warrior ![]() | This is becoming a he-said-she-said episode. According to Thomas Kean, chairman of the 9/11 Commission, there were no indications that the US government knew about Atta prior to 9/11. According to Commission member, former Senator Slade Gorton, the ABLE DANGER data simply didn't exist; in other words, it wasn't there to be found. http://www.military.com/NewsContent/...,77114,00.html According to Pentagon spokesman, MAJ Paul Sweirgosz, there's been an inquiry of sorts into the ABLE DANGER controversy, but "We've interviewed 80 people involved with Able Danger, combed through hundreds of thousands of documents and millions of e-mails and have still found no documentation of Mohamed Atta." Representative Curt Weldon, the person who is leading the attack against the 9/11 Commission for ignoring the ABLE DANGER intelligence, counters with an allegation that a high volume (2.5 terabytes) of information connected to ABLE DANGER were ordered destroyed. Sweirgosz explains that certain data had to be destroyed in accordance with existing regulations regarding "intelligence data on U.S. persons." http://my.earthlink.net/article/nat?...915-1576183732 Here's my take on these two interesting developments: 1. IF ABLE DANGER analysts had identified Mohammad Atta as a person of interest but was told later to cease and desist because of intelligence oversight restrictions (see my earlier post explaining the intricacies of intelligence oversight Third Source Backs 'Able Danger' Claims About Atta), then it would make sense that the data was destroyed. The intelligence unit would have received a determination that it had no authority to collect, retain or disseminate any such information and would have been obligated to purge it. What does not make sense is that it would have been data in the significant quantities that Weldon alleges. In this case, it appears that Weldon is probably right in that over the years, ABLE DANGER data in the quantities he mentioned was probably destroyed; however, it appears that Weldon is either intentionally or perhaps unintentionally implying that ALL of that data pertained to Mohammad Atta. It simply doesn't work that way. When data is initially collected, before more of it can be collected, a determination has to be made if there's a question about the validity of collecting data on certain persons about any violations of intelligence restrictions. Either ABLE DANGER did collect data and determined that it was unauthorized to do so (thus there would be a minimal amount of data to be purged) or we've been misled, and ABLE DANGER aggressively collected data on Atta which was later destroyed under the pretenses of intelligence oversight restrictions. I seriously doubt the latter occurred; but I don't know enough facts to conclude it either way. My point is that IF there was a bona fide question about the legality of collecting data on Mohammad Atta, then whatever information that was collected would have had to be destroyed, and that would have been a small amount of data, NOT the "terabytes" that Weldon alleges or implies. 2. While field grade officers certainly enjoy a degree of automatic credibility by virtue of rank, I'd like to know more about LTC Anthony Shaffer and CAPT Scott Phillpott. Certainly, where there's smoke there's fire; however, if there was such a serious gap between the unit's mission and the validity of this intelligence information, I want to know why they waited until now to speak up and what they did/didn't do back then when this first became an issue. Did they know the ramifications of that data back then? Or is this a case of 20/20 hindsight when they didn't know it then but certainly see it now? I'm also curious if these two officers have any hidden agendas that benefit them by "speaking out." Again, not saying that I suspect them of anything; I'm just curious why we don't know more about them before we give them instant credibility for what amounts to some pretty spectacular and serious allegations. As for Weldon, that's a no-brainer: politicians ALWAYS have a hidden agenda. 3. I want to know what limitations were placed on the 9/11 Commission. Of course it makes sense that classified information would not be published or released to the public. However, I want to know more about the vetting process. Was there a litmus test applied? Or was there a blanket restriction based simply on the fact that information was classified? I believe the Commission had access to a reasonable amount of classified information, and the only restrictions would have been on the sort of intelligence that would have jeopardized the lives of any active intelligence assets still out there. Still, in my experiences dealing with intelligence oversight and Congressional inquiries, the doors are fully opened and virtually nothing is hidden from investigators. So the issue is if the Commission either failed to properly do its research, if it had the data but drew the wrong conclusions, or if there was a cover-up either by the Commission, the Pentagon or both. Again, I still maintain that even if all of this information was available and even acted upon, there still would not have been anything to prevent the 9/11 attacks. I believe we still would have suffered the exact same results. |
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