Killing in the name of God.

[robini123]

Think about that statement for a moment...

Kind of oxymoronic isn't it.

"In spite of the many differences among Christians, Jews, and Muslims, they share a fundamental belief in God as compassionate and just. As a result, those communities have often nurtured people of extraordinary kindness and courageous commitment to justice."
http://www.scu.edu/ethics/publications/submitted/Perry/holywar.html

I have always believed this. If you compare Judaism, Muslim, and the Christian religions, you will see many parallels, although they use different words to say the same thing.

So what dose the Bible say?

"One of the Mosaic commandments prohibits murder (Exodus 20:13). Why is murder wrong, other than its obvious conflict with love of neighbor (Leviticus 19:17-18, 33-34)? Essentially because people are made in the image of God (Genesis 1:26-27, 9:6). One might infer from that idea that no killing of persons would be allowed at all, that the concept of human beings as made in God's image would entail strict pacifism, an absolute duty not to kill people. But that is not what the ancient Hebrews concluded, since many offenses were subject to capital punishment, a form of killing (see examples in Exodus 21-22). So perhaps we might interpret the image-of-God idea to mean, All persons have a basic right not to be killed, but they can forfeit that right if they commit a serious enough crime. This would also be consistent with punishing only those guilty of crimes (Deuteronomy 24:16) and limiting the use of deadly force to the defense of innocent others or oneself. This is probably what most Jewish people would affirm today."
http://www.scu.edu/ethics/publications/submitted/Perry/holywar.html

I agree with what the author is trying to say. The Bible clearly condemns murder.

So what about the Qur'an?

"The Qur'an repeatedly refers to God as compassionate and just. It also says that "there is no compulsion in religion" (2:256): submission to God must be freely chosen, not forced (Ali). The Qur'an urges Muslims to use "beautiful preaching" to persuade people to accept Islam and to "argue nicely" with Jews and Christians who are seen as worshipping the same God as their own (16:125, 29:46, Firestone). This is probably the attitude of most Muslim people today. Jewish and Christian communities have often been tolerated and protected under Muslim rule."
http://www.scu.edu/ethics/publications/submitted/Perry/holywar.html

Now I must admit that I know next to nothing about the Qur'an, but don't believe that it says; all of the infidels must die, as OBL preaches.

So how is it that people can twist the words in these two Holy Books and turn them into weapons of hatred?

Case in point:

We have all seen on the news reports of an abortion doctor being murdered. Now, what your opinion is on abortion has nothing to do with this post. With that said... how can a person that says abortion is murder and against the Ten Commandments turn around and murder a doctor, all the while claiming that God and the Good Book gave him the right too kill? They say God's Commandments are above U.S. law, yet they broke one of the Ten Commandments by committing murder.

Next case:

The arian nation. They believe that any non-white person is inferior and needs to be purged from our society. They believe this to the extent of endorsing and carrying out the murder of minorities... some times in the most horrific way possible, all the while using the Bible to justify their actions. They seem to have forgotten that all us white people come from a mixture of European countries.

And finally we come to the terrorists, who believe that all of us infidels need to die. Nuf said on that point.

So how is it that intelligent people can close their eyes to the teachings of the religion they claim to love in order to promote their own agenda of murder?

The floor is open my friends...

[Hoss68]

I am an Indian spiritualist. I have also come to the conclusion that if I cannot have 100% faith that God exists, then I cannot believe in God at all. I have wanted to.

The bible contradicts itself. Put it through the same screening that movies used to go through before McCarthy.

Killing in the name of God~ WTFO?! Apperently you had a slumber party no one else was invited to.

Abortion~ Choice but not birth control.

Arian nation~ Are they a "pure" breed? I may look it, but I am far from it! Not one person from Europe can honestly say that they are pure breeds, let alone anyone else.

I love... Oops.

[Caldric]

Islamic Terrorist, Christian fanatics, Zionist all believe they are correct and are somewhat a soldier of their God. That sounds simplistic I know but think about the fact that people can twist something actually can twist anything to fit their own logic. Christians can take a small piece of the bible that agrees with their ideals and make it logical to blow up an abortion clinic. Islamic Terrorist can blow up women and children and take a piece of writing make it justified in their minds. I think it is simple zealotry.


Thomas Jefferson made a perfect comment on the fact of fanatics:

"In the fevered state of our country, no good can ever result from any attempt to set one of these fiery zealots to rights, either in fact or principle. They are determined as to the facts they will believe, and the opinions on which they will act. Get by them, therefore, as you would by an angry bull; it is not for a man of sense to dispute the road with such an animal."

In other words they have already made up their mind that they are doing correct and no matter who is hurt or what the cost of their zealotry they will carry it forth. Religion is a tool they use and a basis for their twisted logic. Islam is not the only people to have suicide bombers and cold blooded killers in history. Christians had their own share of zealots over the last couple of thousand years. Even today as you have already stated Christian will blow up a Doctor and think it is just perfectly normal compared to the same Doctor performing an abortion.


It is more than just religion though, globalization and the perpetual fear of losing ones culture and heritage is also a major cause. When people feel there is no hope they turn drastic. Not so much a case in abortion but in global terrorism it is a major foundation of their zealotry.


/Regards

[JohnRN]

"Compelling reason will never overcome blinding emotion" (Karma to who knows who said that)

[Caldric]

Originally Posted by John.

"Compelling reason will never overcome blinding emotion" (Karma to who knows who said that)

Richard Bach... But I cheated.

[robini123]

Originally Posted by Hoss68

I am an Indian spiritualist. I have also come to the conclusion that if I cannot have 100% faith that God exists, then I cannot believe in God at all. I have wanted to.

The bible contradicts itself. Put it through the same screening that movies used to go through before McCarthy.

Killing in the name of God~ WTFO?! Apperently you had a slumber party no one else was invited to.

Abortion~ Choice but not birth control.

Arian nation~ Are they a "pure" breed? I may look it, but I am far from it! Not one person from Europe can honestly say that they are pure breeds, let alone anyone else.

I love... Oops.

With all due respect, your post was interesting but has nothing to do with the question I asked in this thread.

[robini123]

Originally Posted by Caldric

Islamic Terrorist, Christian fanatics, Zionist all believe they are correct and are somewhat a soldier of their God. That sounds simplistic I know but think about the fact that people can twist something actually can twist anything to fit their own logic. Christians can take a small piece of the bible that agrees with their ideals and make it logical to blow up an abortion clinic. Islamic Terrorist can blow up women and children and take a piece of writing make it justified in their minds. I think it is simple zealotry.

Thomas Jefferson made a perfect comment on the fact of fanatics:

"In the fevered state of our country, no good can ever result from any attempt to set one of these fiery zealots to rights, either in fact or principle. They are determined as to the facts they will believe, and the opinions on which they will act. Get by them, therefore, as you would by an angry bull; it is not for a man of sense to dispute the road with such an animal."

In other words they have already made up their mind that they are doing correct and no matter who is hurt or what the cost of their zealotry they will carry it forth. Religion is a tool they use and a basis for their twisted logic. Islam is not the only people to have suicide bombers and cold blooded killers in history. Christians had their own share of zealots over the last couple of thousand years. Even today as you have already stated Christian will blow up a Doctor and think it is just perfectly normal compared to the same Doctor performing an abortion.

It is more than just religion though, globalization and the perpetual fear of losing ones culture and heritage is also a major cause. When people feel there is no hope they turn drastic. Not so much a case in abortion but in global terrorism it is a major foundation of their zealotry.


/Regards

An awesome reply. Thanks for your post.

A quote from a Metallica song; "hear only what you want to hear, and know only what you have heard." I think that is what the lunatic fringe do.

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