Iran's new president declares worldwide 'Islamic revolution'

[Snowden]

Having faced down the United States and Israel in this issue, the Islamic regime came to the conclusion that there was no power on earth left to interfere with its progress towards achieving a nuclear bomb.

I wouldn't bet on this. Israel has nothing to lose by bombing Iran's nuclear factories just before they are operable, and everything to lose if she does not.

Have you all ever heard of the Samson - oh, what's the other word? Anyway, it's the plan Israel has if there is ever an Arab nuclear war coming her way - nuke the Arab countries; any and all that are a threat. Would they do it?

No, I wouldn't bet Iran has convinced Israel that the nuclear power in this man's hands is not a threat Israel cannot and will not accept.

[Caldric]

Originally Posted by Snowden

I wouldn't bet on this. Israel has nothing to lose by bombing Iran's nuclear factories just before they are operable, and everything to lose if she does not.

Have you all ever heard of the Samson - oh, what's the other word? Anyway, it's the plan Israel has if there is ever an Arab nuclear war coming her way - nuke the Arab countries; any and all that are a threat. Would they do it?

No, I wouldn't bet Iran has convinced Israel that the nuclear power in this man's hands is not a threat Israel cannot and will not accept.

Can hope Israel has enough sense left not to bomb Iran. Iran is not Iraq and they have planned well against such action. If they bomb and there is huge radiation release... or Iran retliates on a huge scale... I would rather Israel keep out of it. We barely keeping up with the wars now, looks like Afghanistan is slowly going to hell also all we need is another war since Israel would drag us right into it. I do no think I want to see ten thousand dead Americans for Israel.

I do not see how Israel has much right to bomb them to start with. I am sure the people in Iran feel the same about Israel having nukes.

[USA11B]

The full article is on GOOGLE. Some may find it of interest."SAMSON OPTION" is the query
WILL WORLD NUCLEAR WAR RESULT??(See Scenarios page.)

"Arabs may have the oil, but we have the matches." Israeli leader Ariel Sharon

"Masada was not an example to follow--it hurt the Romans not a whit, but Sampson in Gaza? With an H-bomb? What would serve the Jew-hating world better in repayment for thousands of years of massacres but a Nuclear Winter. Or invite all those tut-tutting European statesmen and peace activists to join us in the ovens?" David Perlmutter in Los Angeles Times



The United States government and foreign policy under George W. Bush is run by neoconservatives tightly linked to Israel's right wing Likud Party and to Christian Zionists who believe an expansionist Israel will cause an apocalypse which will bring back Jesus (and he'll promptly kill all the Jews who don't convert!). Both groups desire to re-make the Middle East, in large part to make it safer for Israel to keep and even expand its illegally occupied land. And the Democrats aren't much better.
However, Americans should consider carefully Israel's nuclear weapons and its threats to use them if the United States ever withdraws its full backing or if Israel is otherwise endangered or attacked. Threats include retaliatory -- or even preemptive -- attacks on Muslim, Russian and even European targets. Israel considered the Soviet Union an enemy backer of Arab nations and thinks the new Russia only a tad more trustworthy. Any attack on Russia, of course, would quickly bring massive retaliation against Israel's greatest ally -- the United States. No doubt this is a major reason U.S. political leaders approach Israel with fear and respect -- and rarely punish it for its violations of U.S. law, United Nations Resolutions, the Geneva Convention and a variety of other treaties.
As mentioned on this nuclear war home page, the U.S. government already threatened to use nuclear weapons, and even went on full nuclear alert, to prevent any "Soviet aggression" in the Middle East, especially to protect Israel in its pre-emptive and defensive wars of 1956, 1958, 1967, 1973, 1979 and 1982. Had there been some sort of technical hardware or software accident, or misinterpretation of evidence, any of those alerts could have resulted in a full scale nuclear war killing most Americans.
However, just as threatening to Americans, and the world, is Israel's aggressive stance towards using its own 200 to 400 nuclear weapons -- ones which it has never formally admitted exist. These weapons can be deployed by air, missile or submarine to almost any place on earth. Therefore it is important for people to learn about Israel's nuclear programs and Israel's many threats to use them.

"SAMSON OPTION"
Seymour M. Hersh, the reporter who broke the story of the U.S. soldiers massacring villagers at Mai Lai in Vietnam, published in 1991 the controversial book The Samson Option: Israel's Nuclear Arsenal and American Foreign Policy. The Biblical Samson, of course, brought down a temple that killed himself and his enemies. According to the namebase.org "The title of Hersh's book comes from Israel's notion that once they have the Bomb, they are in a position to bring it all down on everyone if ever they feel cornered. It's the ultimate in Israeli security as a nation-state, if not for the security of humankind. Israel used nuclear blackmail to force Kissinger and Nixon to airlift supplies during the 1973 Yom Kippur War, and they passed U.S. secrets collected by Jonathan Pollard to the USSR when it served their interests. The Bomb has been a hidden factor in U.S.-Israeli relations ever since the Eisenhower administration, but this is the first book [to] deal with Israeli relations from this perspective."

The Federation of American Scientists site notes: Strategically, Israel uses its long-range missiles and nuclear-capable aircraft (and, some say, submarines with nuclear-armed cruise missiles) to deter both conventional and unconventional attacks, or to launch "the Samson Option", an all-out attack against an adversary should defenses fail and population centers be threatened. In addition, despite Israel's insistence that it "will not be the first to introduce nuclear weapons into the Middle East," these systems represent an effective preemptive strike force.

President Bill Clinton, despite his many faults, at least may have distanced himself from this option. A Federation of American Scientists 1998 report on "Counterproductive Threats states: "Defense analyst Zeev Schiff opined in independent Haaretz (2/4): "Too many senior Israeli officials have taken to issuing threatening statements vis-a-vis Iraq and Iran.... Off-the-cuff Israeli nuclear threats have become a problem, even before the onset of the Iraqi crisis.... Washington may decide it wants to distance itself from Israel in order to avoid being accused of having conspired with us on an action we planned exclusively by ourselves."

However, in late 2002 U.S. President George Bush evidently approved Israel's nuclear response to an Iraqi attack with biological and nuclear weapons -- before the United States invasion. According to News.Scotsman.Com in an article titled "Sharon eyes 'Samson option' against Iraq
... [Israeli Prime Minister Ariel] Sharon - who is courting extreme right-wingers to prop up his teetering government following the withdrawal of the Labour Party last week - has spoken openly of his willingness to strike back, and strike back hard, should his country be attacked by Iraq. ... Sharon's blunt admission that a retaliatory strike would be ordered in the event of an attack on Israel with non-conventional weapons came after discussions with US President George W Bush.
Israeli officials later interpreted the president's stance as giving the green-light to Sharon to attack Baghdad only if Iraq launched a pre-emptive strike against the Jewish State before an American military campaign had got underway.
The officials said if an American military offensive had already begun, then Israel should show restraint and allow the US forces to retaliate.

Of course, the Samson Option has more and more become a pre-emptive war option as well. Even an American University professor urged Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon to be ready to attack any threatening nation first. Louis Rene Beres, Professor Department of Political Science, Purdue University, in a spring, 2001 open letter to Sharon reviewed by Israeli Insider wrote that Israel "must rely upon complementary nuclear and conventional forces, and upon the continuing and associated availability of critical preemption options." Beres suggests that Israeli nuclear deterrence has been significantly eroded and offers little protection against the irrational calculations of Islamic fanatics who see the destruction of the Zionist entity as a religious commandment. He argues that the cost of an Israeli first strike on sources of the nuclear, chemical and biological threats may be lower than waiting, hopefully, for the elimination of these threats by other means or the possibility that political agreements will reduce the likelihood of their use.

In an article called “Israel’s Sacred Terrorism” Livia Rokach, in a study based on Moshe Sharett's Personal Diary, and other documents describes Iraeli’s history of terrorism that provides a context for these nuclear threats. The article is forwarded by Noam Chomsky.

[Caldric]

Yep pretty scary and fundamentalist christians in the United States who worship Israel as much as thier God is very dangerous.

Sorry but Israel is not worth Nuclear War.

[Bluehawk]

At this point in history I would absolutely NOT be willing to bet that Israel would not pre-emptorily bomb anything in Iran if they saw fit.

If they do so, it may not be possible to get a balance back for many years, and such action might condemn our military efforts in the region.

We had better hope they, and Iran, can be restrained for the sake of world peace.

Sooner than later, self-interest is going to be replaced by common-interest, or else.

[USA11B]

Originally Posted by Bluehawk

At this point in history I would absolutely NOT be willing to bet that Israel would not pre-emptorily bomb anything in Iran if they saw fit.

If Israel is pushed to the wall, or think they have been pushed that far, they just might do a pre emptive strike. Should Israel be attacked by nuclear, I am sure retaliation by Israel would be of biblical proportions. My 02.

[cb88]

Originally Posted by Caldric

Yep pretty scary and fundamentalist christians in the United States who worship Israel as much as thier God is very dangerous.

Sorry but Israel is not worth Nuclear War.

Caldric, why are you so "anti-Christian"???

Of late many archaeological digs have proven the Bible historically accurate....at least in the time line of kings, wars, etc. Many archaeologists use the Bible to help date digs.

I do not need "proof" for me to believe the Bible, as Martin Luther said "Reason is the enemy of faith." Aside from the fact that if you study the Bible intensely, it is self supporting. Amazing that so many different authors from that diverse of a time span can support each other without contradiction.

To the point of this preface......

Israel is the new kingdom from which the king will reign over the entire world during the millenium of peace.

Do I think that is worth nuclear war? I can't answer that except to say that whatever causes the final war before the millenium of peace it will not destroy Israel and this has been predetermined since the beginning of time.

I find often people are so "anti-Israel" and "anti-Christian" because they haven't studied the Bible---really studied it. Oh sure, they might have gone to Sunday school as a kid or glanced through it, or memorizd a few verses....but to understand and know, one must study it and learn where the Bible explains itself. For example, Christ's teachings often refer back to Isaiah, or even the Patriachs.

If someone doesn't study it, then they would be scared....studying it gives peace because one realizes that all of the prophecies from the dawn of time have come true, therefore God is true to His word and the promises in there can give you peace.

War in the middle east will result in the final world war, whether we are involved or not, it will happen. And Israel will withstand it and become the new kingdom.