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Old 05-09-2005, 13:38   #1 (permalink)
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Default Critics Fear New Bill May be Precursor to National ID

I don't know the ins and outs of this, but it seems to me that the driver's license is the thing needed to get a SOC card and other papers so it might not be such a bad thing if it was harder to get.

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Next week, the Senate is expected to pass a measure that would make it more difficult to get or renew your driver’s license.

The measure passed the house Thursday as part of a spending bill for the war in Iraq and Afghanistan. And it could affect your ability to board a plane, enter a federal courthouse, or even set up a bank account.

Getting your driver's license already requires a wait. But, if the Senate follows in the footsteps of the House, your wait could get even longer.

Rep. James Sensenbrenner: "Longer lines are a small price to pay to flush out the fraud in driver’s licenses."

The bill's sponsor, House Judiciary Chair James Sensenbrenner (R-WI), says the measure will counter much more than fraud. Proponents believe it will also help fight against terrorism.

Some of the 9/11 hijackers legally obtained licenses to board their flights, but under the new measure, an estimated 70 million people applying for drivers' licenses each year would have to show four types of identification at their state Department of Motor Vehicles office.

That includes a birth certificate, a photo ID, verification of your social security number, and an acceptable document showing your name and address.

All these are required to prove you are a U.S. citizen. And, the resulting verification process would effectively do away with what some states have worked hard to do, trying to make getting or renewing a driver's license more convenient.

Cheye Calvo, Senior Policy Specialist for the National Conference of State Legislatures "First of all, Americans are no longer going to go to a DMV, get their license in one day."

Some worry that the legislation is more about cracking down on illegal immigrants than terrorism, and others fear it's a threat to privacy. Privacy advocates say the new requirements would effectively open the door for a national ID program, backed by the 9/11 commission and the Bush administration.

And they worry that nationwide databases storing your personal information would be targeted by identity thieves.

House Minority Leader Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) said, "Whatever you think of the idea, understand what a burden it places on the states."

Congress estimates it will cost states $100 million to implement the new requirements, which would go into effect by 2008, but some think it will cost much more, and because it is attached to the widely supported spending bill for military operations in Iraq and Afghanistan, many believe the measure will pass.

Sensenbrenner remarked, "This legislation will keep us safer. We need to know who has a driver's license and who is in our country."
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Old 05-09-2005, 15:57   #2 (permalink)
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I rise in strong opposition to HR 418, the REAL ID Act. This bill purports to make us safer from terrorists who may sneak into the United States, and from other illegal immigrants. While I agree that these issues are of vital importance, this bill will do very little to make us more secure. It will not address our real vulnerabilities. It will, however, make us much less free. In reality, this bill is a Trojan horse. It pretends to offer desperately needed border control in order to stampede Americans into sacrificing what is uniquely American: our constitutionally protected liberty.


What is wrong with this bill?

The REAL ID Act establishes a national ID card by mandating that states include certain minimum identification standards on driver’s licenses. It contains no limits on the government’s power to impose additional standards. Indeed, it gives authority to the Secretary of Homeland Security to unilaterally add requirements as he sees fit.

Supporters claim it is not a national ID because it is voluntary. However, any state that opts out will automatically make non-persons out of its citizens. The citizens of that state will be unable to have any dealings with the federal government because their ID will not be accepted. They will not be able to fly or to take a train. In essence, in the eyes of the federal government they will cease to exist. It is absurd to call this voluntary.

Republican Party talking points on this bill, which claim that this is not a national ID card, nevertheless endorse the idea that “the federal government should set standards for the issuance of birth certificates and sources of identification such as driver’s licenses.” So they admit that they want a national ID but at the same time pretend that this is not a national ID.

This bill establishes a massive, centrally-coordinated database of highly personal information about American citizens: at a minimum their name, date of birth, place of residence, Social Security number, and physical and possibly other characteristics. What is even more disturbing is that, by mandating that states participate in the “Drivers License Agreement,” this bill creates a massive database of sensitive information on American citizens that will be shared with Canada and Mexico!

This bill could have a chilling effect on the exercise of our constitutionally guaranteed rights. It re-defines "terrorism" in broad new terms that could well include members of firearms rights and anti-abortion groups, or other such groups as determined by whoever is in power at the time. There are no prohibitions against including such information in the database as information about a person’s exercise of First Amendment rights or about a person’s appearance on a registry of firearms owners.

This legislation gives authority to the Secretary of Homeland Security to expand required information on driver’s licenses, potentially including such biometric information as retina scans, finger prints, DNA information, and even Radio Frequency Identification (RFID) radio tracking technology. Including such technology as RFID would mean that the federal government, as well as the governments of Canada and Mexico, would know where Americans are at all times of the day and night.

There are no limits on what happens to the database of sensitive information on Americans once it leaves the United States for Canada and Mexico – or perhaps other countries. Who is to stop a corrupt foreign government official from selling or giving this information to human traffickers or even terrorists? Will this uncertainty make us feel safer?

What will all of this mean for us? When this new program is implemented, every time we are required to show our driver’s license we will, in fact, be showing a national identification card. We will be handing over a card that includes our personal and likely biometric information, information which is connected to a national and international database.

H.R. 418 does nothing to solve the growing threat to national security posed by people who are already in the U.S. illegally. Instead, H.R. 418 states what we already know: that certain people here illegally are "deportable." But it does nothing to mandate deportation.

Although Congress funded an additional 2,000 border guards last year, the administration has announced that it will only ask for an additional 210 guards. Why are we not pursuing these avenues as a way of safeguarding our country? Why are we punishing Americans by taking away their freedoms instead of making life more difficult for those who would enter our country illegally?

H.R. 418 does what legislation restricting firearm ownership does. It punishes law-abiding citizens. Criminals will ignore it. H.R. 418 offers us a false sense of greater security at the cost of taking a gigantic step toward making America a police state.

I urge my colleagues to vote “NO” on the REAL ID Act of 2005.
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Old 05-09-2005, 23:27   #3 (permalink)
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Default Re: Critics Fear New Bill May be Precursor to National ID

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Sensenbrenner remarked, "This legislation will keep us safer. We need to know who has a driver's license and who is in our country."
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This is one thing Congress should make a law against; these "attachments" to laws that must be signed. It's not only costly, but absolutely dishonest.

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Old 05-10-2005, 00:32   #4 (permalink)
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Default Re: Critics Fear New Bill May be Precursor to National ID

There is a much simpler way to accomplish the same thing... namely, to have an AMERICAN driving license and vehicle registration.

States hate this idea because it would mean so much lost revenue which is, after a certain point, the ONLY reason they persist in expiring licenses at all.

There do not need to be any attachments to a license in order to ensure that it is being carried by an American citizen. That document, associated with the Social Security card and Birth Certificate are sufficient. If necessary, they can also ask for a paid utility bill or rent receipt.

Already, even today, when a person moves to a new State, often times the new State does not recognize the legitimacy of one's prior license having been obtained legally, with proper documentation. One is treated as an Alien illegal... imagine what will happen when there are computer snafus in this new system they are proposing.

One can only hope that mid-term elections will change the voting majority in Congress, and that the newcomers will see the inherent stupidity of the current proposal.

If not, then might just as well get used to it, because it WILL be happening.
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In a 100-0 vote, the U.S. Senate passed the 2nd largest supplemental spending bill in the history of the nation. If that were not enough reason to question the common sense of our legislators, the Republican and Democrat leaders also passed the Real ID Act which was hidden within the spending bill.



With the passing of the bill, states will have to abide by federal standards for providing driver's licenses and I.D. cards to citizens. States will also have to link their citizen databases to federal systems in order obtain funding for the program.



Driver's licenses issued by states not fulfilling federal requirements will not be accepted by any federal agency. What does that matter? Here are a few scenarios that may occur if your state were to not fulfill the new federal obligations:


  • <LI class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">Flying to see a relative in another state? Don’t forget your papers: Domestic travelers could not pass through airport security checkpoints without a passport or a "Real" I.D. card. <LI class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">Want to serve your country? Apply for a passport first: Prospective military enlistees could not meet identification requirements with only state issued identification.
  • Want to get a job? Not without federal documentation: The INS I-9 form is a required document for all U.S. workers. Section Two of the form requires identification to be examined by the employer. As no federal agency will accept "old" driver's licenses, your I.D. would no longer be valid. Be sure to bring your passport along to your next job interview.


Aside from the authoritarian restrictions that will be implemented within the next three years (the bill is to be fully implemented by May 2008 as it has been signed into law by President George W. Bush), there are many other consequences of the bill.



The forthcoming database sharing will now put U.S. citizens in the same class as criminals. While the Social Security Administration tracks names and employment data, the federal government will now have access to at least your physical description, disabilities, and your photo. In the past, this level of detail was only offered to the federal government within criminal databases.

If you are comfortable with the above, please take the time today to send a "thank you" note to your Republican or Democrat senators. Be sure to let them know that you enjoy having your personal freedom and privacy stolen.
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We have the techno-generation to thank for our techno-base.

Excuse me, please... should I not be all that thankful.
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