Go Back   Trackpads Community > General Discussions > Point/Counterpoint

Point/Counterpoint Debate newsworthy and other 'hot-button' topics here. If it can be debated, this is the forum for it. Can't be thin skinned - people will disagree with you. No flaming or personal attacks.

Point/Counterpoint

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
Old 03-23-2005, 20:39   #1 (permalink)
Sabot Slinger
 
MACTANK's Avatar
My Awards Rack
Silver Staff Service Medal Bronze Reputation  Medal Army Service Button Bronze Community Medal 1 Blue Star Silver Threads Medal 
Total Awards: 6
My Mood
Status
MACTANK is offline
Post Count
2,385
My Photos
My Photos: 5
Member Flags
United States us michigan
My Referrals
My Referrals: 1
Personal Guestbook
Reputation +/-
MACTANK is a jewel in the roughMACTANK is a jewel in the roughMACTANK is a jewel in the roughMACTANK is a jewel in the roughMACTANK is a jewel in the roughMACTANK is a jewel in the roughMACTANK is a jewel in the roughMACTANK is a jewel in the roughMACTANK is a jewel in the roughMACTANK is a jewel in the roughMACTANK is a jewel in the rough
Other Swag
T-Bucks: 5,605.00
Bank: 0.00
Total T-Bucks: 5,605.00

 
Default Medal of Valor? Puhleeze!

This pisses me off!

Matt York / AP American Indians award former POW with warriors medal of valor


By BETH DeFALCO
ASSOCIATED PRESS


PHOENIX, March 22 — An American Indian veterans group awarded a ''warriors medal of valor'' Wednesday to former POW Jessica Lynch in a ceremony on the mountain named after her best friend and fallen comrade, Army Spc. Lori Piestewa.

The ceremony on Piestewa Peak marked the two-year anniversary of the ambush on a convoy in Iraq in which Piestewa was killed and Lynch was taken prisoner.
Piestewa, a Hopi, is believed to be the first American Indian woman killed while fighting for the U.S. military.
''She was a very strong-minded woman,'' said Lynch, the former Army supply clerk from West Virginia who is still recovering from injuries suffered in the ambush. ''Her strength rubbed off on me.''
The medal was presented to her by the Native American Veterans Council. A member of the Havasupai-Grand Canyon tribe used feathers to send sage smoke through the crowd, and members of the Sioux nations sang to the rhythm of a drum.
Lynch, 21, and Piestewa, 23, served together in the 507th Maintenance Company, based at Fort Bliss, Texas, and were roommates there and tentmates in Iraq.
With proceeds from a book deal, Lynch created a foundation to help Piestewa's two children, 6-year-Brandon and 5-year-old Carla.
__________________
Toujours Pret!



MACTANK is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Trackpads Information
Click to Visit
Old 03-23-2005, 20:47   #2 (permalink)
Pending User
My Awards Rack
Total Awards:
My Mood
Status
USMC5831 is offline
Post Count
9,298
My Photos
My Photos: 0
Member Flags
Undisclosed
My Referrals
My Referrals: 1
Personal Guestbook
Reputation +/-
USMC5831 is a name known to allUSMC5831 is a name known to allUSMC5831 is a name known to allUSMC5831 is a name known to allUSMC5831 is a name known to allUSMC5831 is a name known to allUSMC5831 is a name known to allUSMC5831 is a name known to allUSMC5831 is a name known to allUSMC5831 is a name known to allUSMC5831 is a name known to all
Other Swag
T-Bucks: 27,503.00
Bank: 0.00
Total T-Bucks: 27,503.00

 
Default Re: Medal of Valor? Puhleeze!

I can not believe they are giving her all of these crazy medals she did not do anything superior. She was a female that was a POW that is it.
USMC5831 is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 03-23-2005, 21:02   #3 (permalink)
Icing Queen
 
conlor's Avatar
My Awards Rack
Silver Staff Service Medal Silver Reputation  Medal Gold Commanders Coin Silver Commanders Coin Silver Commanders Coin Army Service Button Silver Community Medal 1 Blue Star 
Total Awards: 9
My Mood
Status
conlor is offline
Post Count
23,971
My Photos
My Photos: 1
Staff Title
EDIV Trivia Coordinator
Member Flags
United States Undisclosed
My Referrals
My Referrals: 1
Personal Guestbook
Reputation +/-
conlor has a reputation beyond reputeconlor has a reputation beyond reputeconlor has a reputation beyond reputeconlor has a reputation beyond reputeconlor has a reputation beyond reputeconlor has a reputation beyond reputeconlor has a reputation beyond reputeconlor has a reputation beyond reputeconlor has a reputation beyond reputeconlor has a reputation beyond reputeconlor has a reputation beyond repute
Other Swag
T-Bucks: 181,518.92
Bank: 47,355.63
Total T-Bucks: 228,874.55
     
     
 

 
Default Re: Medal of Valor? Puhleeze!

It's their medal, guess they can do anything they want to with it.
__________________
Your memory is our keepsake, With which we'll never part. God has you in his keeping, We have you in our hearts.

~2004 winner of The Outreach Award
~2005 co-winner of The Bronze Button Award
~March 2006 Perv of the Month
~Sept 2006, Oct 2007 - MOTM
~2007 Oct-Dec MOTQ
~2007 Female Silver Raincoat Recipient
~2007 MOTY
conlor is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 03-23-2005, 21:05   #4 (permalink)
Crew Dawg
 
Bluehawk's Avatar
My Awards Rack
Silver Staff Service Medal Silver Reputation  Medal Bronze Vehicle ID Medal Gold Magazine Medal Silver Commanders Coin Bronze Factsheets Medal Air Force Service Button 2 Blue Star 
Total Awards: 12
My Mood
My Mood:
Status
Bluehawk is offline
Post Count
9,636
My Photos
My Photos: 4
Staff Title
Air Force Forum Moderator
Member Flags
United States us missouri
My Referrals
My Referrals: 3
Personal Guestbook
Reputation +/-
Bluehawk has much to be proud ofBluehawk has much to be proud ofBluehawk has much to be proud ofBluehawk has much to be proud ofBluehawk has much to be proud ofBluehawk has much to be proud ofBluehawk has much to be proud ofBluehawk has much to be proud ofBluehawk has much to be proud ofBluehawk has much to be proud ofBluehawk has much to be proud of
Other Swag
T-Bucks: 8,047.29
Bank: 96,034.96
Total T-Bucks: 104,082.25
     
    

 
Default Re: Medal of Valor? Puhleeze!

Was it SHE who sought a Medal of Valor?

Or, was it she who was doomed to receive it by media hype propaganda.

And, might she have earned such a valor by means other than those which are officially sanctioned.

I reckon her as honorable.
__________________
http://www.anyairman.com
Click banner > Go directly to Air Force forum

"We’re at war with Japan. We were attacked by Japan. Do you want to kill Japanese, or would you rather have Americans killed?"
General Curtis LeMay
Bluehawk is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 03-23-2005, 21:08   #5 (permalink)
Fallen Member
 
USA11B's Avatar
My Awards Rack
Navy Service Button Army Service Button Bronze Community Medal Bronze Threads Medal 
Total Awards: 4
My Mood
Status
USA11B is offline
Post Count
1,790
My Photos
My Photos: 0
Member Flags
United States Undisclosed
My Referrals
My Referrals: 0
Personal Guestbook
Reputation +/-
USA11B is a name known to allUSA11B is a name known to allUSA11B is a name known to allUSA11B is a name known to allUSA11B is a name known to allUSA11B is a name known to allUSA11B is a name known to allUSA11B is a name known to allUSA11B is a name known to allUSA11B is a name known to allUSA11B is a name known to all
Other Swag
T-Bucks: 2,698.00
Bank: 0.00
Total T-Bucks: 2,698.00

 
Default Re: Medal of Valor? Puhleeze!

Quote:
Originally Posted by MACTANK
MACTANK & USMC5831, unless I am missing something this ''warriors medal of valor'' is a Tribal award given to Lynch basically for being a friend to Piestewa.
MACTANK & USMC5831, unless I am missing something this ''warriors medal of valor'' is a Tribal award given to Lynch basically for being a friend to Piestewa.
If you have more on this or I am missing something, let me know.

Last edited by Woodmonkey; 03-23-2005 at 22:33.
USA11B is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 03-23-2005, 21:40   #6 (permalink)
Racy Ol' Lady
 
Snowden's Avatar
My Awards Rack
Silver Staff Service Medal Silver Reputation  Medal Silver Commanders Coin Silver Commanders Coin Silver Donations Award Gold Community Medal Gold Threads Medal 
Total Awards: 7
My Mood
My Mood:
Status
Snowden is offline
Post Count
48,236
My Photos
My Photos: 37
Member Flags
United States us maryland
My Referrals
My Referrals: 6
Personal Guestbook
Reputation +/-
Snowden has a brilliant futureSnowden has a brilliant futureSnowden has a brilliant futureSnowden has a brilliant futureSnowden has a brilliant futureSnowden has a brilliant futureSnowden has a brilliant futureSnowden has a brilliant futureSnowden has a brilliant futureSnowden has a brilliant futureSnowden has a brilliant future
Other Swag
T-Bucks: 445,881.00
Bank: 0.00
Total T-Bucks: 445,881.00
     
     

 
Default Re: Medal of Valor? Puhleeze!

Quote:
Originally Posted by USA11B
MACTANK & USMC5831, unless I am missing something this ''warriors medal of valor'' is a Tribal award given to Lynch basically for being a friend to Piestewa.
If you have more on this or I am missing something, let me know.
That's my reading of it too, Don. I imagine they have reason to show respect to Lynch for being a friend of Piestewa. She did survive a pretty nasty ordeal - if they want to show appreciation for the friend of a member of their community; why not?
__________________
Life's a banquet and most poor suckers are starving to death!


MOTM, Jan 2005, Aug 2007
Golden Cookie Award, 2005.
Aug 2006 Perv of the Month
Perv. Outreach Award, 2007
Snowden is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 03-23-2005, 22:35   #7 (permalink)
Senior Treadhead
 
kruser79's Avatar
My Awards Rack
Total Awards:
My Mood
Status
kruser79 is offline
Post Count
2,638
My Photos
My Photos: 97
Member Flags
United States Undisclosed
My Referrals
My Referrals: 4
Personal Guestbook
Reputation +/-
kruser79 is a jewel in the roughkruser79 is a jewel in the roughkruser79 is a jewel in the roughkruser79 is a jewel in the roughkruser79 is a jewel in the roughkruser79 is a jewel in the roughkruser79 is a jewel in the roughkruser79 is a jewel in the roughkruser79 is a jewel in the roughkruser79 is a jewel in the roughkruser79 is a jewel in the rough
Other Swag
T-Bucks: 2,494.00
Bank: 0.00
Total T-Bucks: 2,494.00

 
Default Re: Medal of Valor? Puhleeze!

I've kinda waffled a bit on the Jessica Lynch subject.

One the one hand she was a soldier. She endured a terrible ordeal.

On the other, she was victim to the very same malady that afflicted her colleagues, poor weapons maintenance and poor warfighter skills. Many of those in her unit died needlessly because they weren't first, properly trained, and second, properly supervised. Nevertheless, it's a soldier's duty to keep himself, and his weapon, sharp and ready at all times. (Think about it, why can our front-line combat units engage in firefights that last for hours, but this unit's weapons couldn't empty a complete magazine before jamming?)

Her relationships inside of the unit weren't the healthiest either. Romance inside of the same unit rarely works (and no, you can't be the self-named esprit' de corps booster).

I'll give her her due. But I can't bring myself to call her a hero, or valorous.
__________________
"We may not be the Unit's pride, but without us, the Pride don't ride!"
kruser79 is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Warriors Medal of Valor, Congratulations Charley Whitedog scotto General Military Discussions 0 01-07-2008 15:53
Valor Medal Drop Linked to Nature of Terror War mgstrow General Military Discussions 0 12-14-2006 18:00
Medal of Honor recipients shine at "Visions of Valor" cec Army 0 07-08-2006 09:38
Magic Johnson? an Exec in NASCAR?!?! puhleeze ANTiSEEN Auto Racing 80 04-29-2005 00:00
Generations of Valor conlor Chit-Chat 2 02-12-2005 04:59


Community Information
Options
Quick Options
Trackpads Non-Commercial Ad
Copyright Information Click to Visit
Time
Server Time
All times are GMT -4. The time now is 23:19.
Copyright
Copyright Information
The header is based off of work by Vipixel.com and modified by this site. Trackpads and the Trackpads Logo are both Registered Trademarks of Jason Edwards and cannot be used without prior written permission.  The only exception is as a link back to this site. Trackpads is a private website run by a small legion of volunteers, 3 dogs, 12.5 cats and an army of small, super smart, bio-engineered mice with pointy hats and tutu's. Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.2.0 RC7
Archive Links
Archive Links
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9