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Post Stryker motorized vanity a Failure: send trucks to MP brigades

America needs an all-terrain, light M113 Gavin mechanized infantry that are victors in closed terrain and 3D maneuver AKA Cavalry, not wheeled Stryker/Humvee/MRAP victims that get blown up 1D along roads/trails/streets from the FOB.

The U.S. Army has been through this "NEW" thin box on 8-wheels stupidity before--in 1954.

Here's a pic:

www.combatreform.com/usarmyrejectedLAV3STRYKERmotorizedtrucksin1954.jpg

So much for "NEW" technology that is really OLD VANITY to not look like comrades in arms who use tracks. At least in 1954, function getting results was rightly seen as more important than appearances. What works on planet earth--light tracks delivered by aircraft hasn't changed--we have changed to our ruin. Its time for us to change back to military excellence, competence and victory--if we have to tip our hat to the track people so be it--better than a stay at Walter Reed or the cemetary.

Recent troop losses in Iraq raise new questions about Stryker
By ROBERT H. REID
ASSOCIATED PRESS WRITERS
May 14, 2007

BAGHDAD -- A string of heavy losses from powerful roadside bombs has
raised new questions about the vulnerability of the Stryker, the Army's
troop-carrying vehicle hailed by supporters as the key to a leaner, more
mobile force.
Since the Strykers went into action in violent Diyala province north of
Baghdad two months ago, losses of the vehicles have been rising steadily, U.S. officials said.
A single infantry company in Diyala lost five Strykers this month in less than a week, according to soldiers familiar with the losses, who spoke on condition of anonymity because they are not authorized to release the information. The overall number of Strykers lost recently is classified.
In one of the biggest hits, six American soldiers based at Fort Lewis, WA, and a journalist were killed when a huge bomb exploded beneath their Stryker on May 6. It was the biggest one-day loss for the battalion in more than two years.
"We went for several months with no losses and were very proud of that," a senior Army official said in Washington, speaking on condition of
anonymity because he is not authorized to comment publicly. "Since then,
there have been quite a few Stryker losses."
"They are learning how to defeat them," the Army official said of Iraqi
insurgents.
The Army introduced the $11 billion, eight-wheeled Stryker in 1999 as the cornerstone of a ground force of the future -- hoping to create faster, more agile armored units than tank-equipped units, but with more firepower and protection than light-infantry units.
But the Army and the Marines are already looking for something different
that can survive big roadside bombs -- the main threat to soldiers in Iraq -- meaning the Stryker's high-profile status as the Army's "next generation" vehicle may be short-lived.
"It is indeed an open question if the Stryker is right for this type of
warfare," said Michael O'Hanlon, a senior analyst with the Brookings
Institution. "I am inclined to think that the concept works better for
peacekeeping. But based on data the Army has made available to date,
it's hard to be sure."
Supporters of the Strykers, which have been used in Iraq since late
2003, say the vehicles that carry two crew members and 11 infantrymen
offer mobility, firepower and comfort.
Lighter and faster than tracked vehicles like tanks, each Stryker can rush soldiers quickly to a fight, enabling commanders to maintain security over a wide area with relatively fewer troops. Humvees can carry only four soldiers -- and are more vulnerable to bombs even when their armor is upgraded.
"I love Strykers," said Spc. Christopher Hagen, based in Baqouba. "With
Strykers, you're mobile, you're fast. You can get anywhere anytime. They
bring a lot of troops to the fight."
But some analysts have long questioned the wisdom of moving away from
more heavily armored tracked vehicles like tanks and Bradley fighting
vehicles to wheeled transports, like the Stryker. They say that is especially true in Iraq, where powerful bombs -- not rocket-propelled grenades or small arms fire -- are the main threat.
"The Stryker vehicle was conceived at a time when the Army was more
concerned about mobility and agility than it was about protection," said
Loren Thompson, a military analyst from the Lexington Institute. "Stryker was the answer to that need."
The Stryker's vulnerabilities have become increasingly apparent since a
battalion of about 700 soldiers and nearly 100 Stryker vehicles from the
Army's 2nd Infantry Division was sent to Diyala province in March to bolster an infantry brigade struggling to restore order there.
Trouble started as soon as the Strykers arrived in Baqouba, the provincial capital of Diyala. U.S. commanders ordered the vehicles into Baqouba's streets at dawn the day after they arrived. The hope was that the large, menacing vehicles -- armed with a heavy machine gun and a 105mm cannon -- would intimidate insurgents and reassure local residents.
Instead, insurgents hammered the Strykers with automatic weapons fire,
rocket-propelled grenades and a network of roadside bombs. By the end of that first day, one American soldier was dead, 12 were wounded and two Strykers were destroyed.
A few days before the May 6 attack that killed the six soldiers and a Russian journalist, troops scrambled out of another damaged Stryker and
took cover in a house while they watched the vehicle burn. Several of
them were injured but none seriously.
Losses have since mounted.
A few days after the May 6 blast, two Strykers were hit by bombs, and
one soldier was killed and another was seriously wounded.
Lt. Col. Bruce Antonio, who commands a Stryker battalion in Diyala, said
he and soldiers still have confidence in the Strykers and noted they have survived many bombs, which the military calls improvised explosive device[s] or IEDs. But Antonio said some insurgents had found "the right mix of explosives and IED positioning to inflict severe damage on the vehicle." He also noted that tanks had also proved vulnerable too.
The insurgents also apparently are becoming better at hiding the devices -- the IED that killed the six soldiers and the journalist was believed hidden in a sewer line. To add potency, insurgents surrounded the device
with cement to channel the blast force up into the tank, according to
soldiers familiar with the investigation.
Supporters of the Strykers say all that proves that it's the lethality of bombs in Iraq -- not the Strykers themselves -- that are the problem:
The bombs are now so powerful that even Abrams main battle tanks are
vulnerable to some of them.
"I'm not sure if it's any reflection on the (Stryker) but rather on how things are getting worse" in Iraq, according to a senior Democratic
congressional staffer who tracks Army programs, who spoke on condition
of anonymity because he wasn't authorized to speak publicly.
Stryker soldiers said that when they were based in Mosul in the north,
roadside bombs weren't so big -- often, little more than pipe bombs. In
Baqouba, the bombs are bigger and buried deeper, making them difficult
to detect.
"With what we got hit with the other day, it wouldn't have mattered what
we were in," said Spc. John Pearce, speaking of the May 6 bomb. "We were going to take casualties, regardless."
Either way, the Army and Marine Corps already are pushing for new Mine
Resistant Ambush Protected vehicles, or MRAPS, whose V-shaped hulls are
designed to deflect bomb blasts outward, rather than through the vehicle.
The Pentagon has requested nearly 7,800 of the new vehicles at a cost of
$8.4 billion and is considering ordering thousands more to give soldiers
better protection.
Such moves, however, serve only to reinforce the views of critics, who
believe the Army opted for a vehicle that was useful in Balkan peacekeeping or other "low threat" missions but is inadequate in so-called "asymmetric warfare," where a weaker opponent devises simple tools to exploit a strong opponent's weak points.
"As long as the Stryker-equipped light infantry was used... against lightly armed insurgents, there was no problem," said retired Col. Douglas Macgregor, who writes on defense issues. "Now, they are being tossed into the urban battle where only tracked armor can survive."
-- Reid reported from Baghdad and Flaherty from Washington. Associated Press reporters Todd Pitman in Diyala in Iraq and Pauline Jelinek in Washington also contributed to this report.
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