Beware Used Cars Damaged By Flood

Woodmonkey · 09-17-2005, 01:09

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Beware Used Cars Damaged By Flood

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In the market for a good used car? Watch out for vehicles that sat submerged for days in the flooded streets of New Orleans, Biloxi or other Gulf Coast cities ravaged by Hurricane Katrina.

Insurance companies usually purchase such vehicles from policyholders, declare them totaled and then sell them at auction to be resold for parts, many of which will still be suitable for use in other cars and trucks.

But some unscrupulous dealers and wholesalers buy flood-damaged cars at scrap prices, clean them up, re-title them and resell them. The vehicles may look good, but their electronics and safety systems likely are damaged -- and threaten the safety of the new owners.

After virtually every major U.S. flood, the Better Business Bureau warns prospective used car buyers to be on the lookout for flood-damaged vehicles.

"You want to be extra cautious," said Ken Vender Meeden, president of the Grand Rapids-based Better Business Bureau of Western Michigan. "Unfortunately, deals that sound too good to be true for cars could include damaged goods. 'Let the buyer beware' applies most readily in posthurricane-type disasters."

When Hurricane Floyd struck Florida in 1999, an estimated 75,000 vehicles were ruined by floods and totaled by insurance companies, according to Carfax Inc., a Fairfax, Va.-based firm that performs background checks on used vehicles.

More than half of those cars and trucks, however, were resold to buyers unaware of the vehicles' past or uninformed about the extent of damage caused by flooding, Carfax said.

Carfax estimates that, based on information it has received from law enforcement and government authorities, between 250,000 and 500,000 vehicles could have been damaged by floodwaters generated by Katrina.

Prospective buyers should have a used car's history researched to make sure a flood-damaged title hasn't been issued for it, Carfax spokesman Larry Gamache said. A search using a vehicle identification number can be performed for a fee at Web sites such as www.carfax.com and www.autocheck.com.

A mechanic also should inspect the vehicle.

"A mechanic is going to be able to look for signs of water damage that won't appear on a title document or a piece of paper," Gamache said. "Things like water levels in the engine well, rusting wires. He can look inside your ventilation system and see if there's any debris."

Prospective buyers also can do a bit of detective work themselves. The National Automobile Dealers Association, which represents approximately 20,000 new car and truck dealers, offers a 10-step inspection checklist to guide shoppers.

Although there's no foolproof way to detect vehicle flood damage, NADA officials say potential buyers should inspect the interior, trunk and engine compartment for rust, musty odors and other signs of significant water damage.

"Dealers are very concerned these affected vehicles could enter the used car market," said Jack Kain, chairman of the McLean, Va.-based association. "Fortunately, there are steps that car shoppers can take to detect water damage and protect themselves."

Although nearly all states have laws against sellers misrepresenting flood-damaged cars and trucks to their buyers, the nation needs a uniform system for clearly identifying such vehicles, said Clarence Ditlow, executive director of the Center for Auto Safety.

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filthybeast · 09-17-2005, 22:28

A lot of those vehicles will show up out here.

Woodmonkey · 09-17-2005, 22:34

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A lot of those vehicles will show up out here.

That's what I figure. You have to be very careful or know someone. I love my car and bought it used, but I was tutoring the salesman so he could pass the ASVAB and he did that as a way to show his gratitude. He checked out and found two cars that passed his personal inspection (and he had access to their history). This Plymouth Breeze is probably one of the best, most dependable, cars I've owned.

filthybeast · 09-17-2005, 22:43

A lot of the problems on getting the history of a used vehicle hinge on weather it is from a title state or a registation state. For a vehicle with damage in a title state the car wholesellars take them to a registration state and get them registered there. It makes it very hard to trace then.

conlor · 09-17-2005, 22:56

Thanks, Katie. I'm going to pass this on to people I know in other states.

BrianK · 09-17-2005, 23:51

A search using a vehicle identification number can be performed for a fee at Web sites such as www.carfax.com and www.autocheck.com.

Worth the cost if the vehilce can't be throughly gone over by a mechanic. Even then since the low lifes that sell these vehicles know all the tricks, and most are smart enough to take the time & effort to try to disguise water damage it could still be a toss up.

Some of the problems that used to be aren't there any more. Fuel injection has replaced naturally asperated [ carburetors ] which used to allow water to filter backwards into the crankcase damaging the bearings.

What the article points out is damage to electrical & safety systems. Vehicles depend on variety of computer logics to run the motor & operate systems like air bags, self dimming lights, safety belt not connected warning.

The problem is the wiring can be cleaned off and dried so rust as was mentioned isn't seen.

The unseen is where the real problem lies. By now I think we've all seen the kind of green corrosion build up on a BBQ motor plug that has been out in the weather. That didn't get there overnight it took time to corrode. That is the danger in automotive electronics. Those handy plug together wiring harnesses th