Re: [MV] MV Posts

Heres some truth for you mister...theres a time to poke those keys and a
time to shut up! Yours seems to be mixed up. If you keep aggravating
this board...membership will drop an email to the moderator and have
your address blocked from using it. Theres your right to free speech! I
won't respond to anything else from you, please do likewise....I dislike
your attitude EXTREMELY! Go play under your truck! Fred Martin

Ida Heath wrote:[color=blue]
> Fred,
>
> I didn't realize I started an argument. Maybe in your spare time you could
> research that and address the one who did. I thought I only exercised my
> freedom of expression, sorry you didn't like the truth.
>
> On the fuel subject, I would agree on anything that would help a situation
> but if they did what you mentioned I'm just wondering where the vehicles got
> their fuel from out on the road? Maybe they were a local outfit and had
> their fuel in their own tanks.
>
> Sonny
> PPPPPPP
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Fred Martin <mung@in-touch.net>
> To: Military Vehicles Mailing List <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 1:05 PM
> Subject: Re: [MV] MV Posts
>
>
> [color=green]
>>Okay Ken...let me try.
>>
>>I just read an older (1999) article in a magazine about the fact that if
>>Caterpillar Tractor Co. has their way we will convert from diesel fuel
>>to a cleaner burning natural gas engine. They say further that they have
>>begun to manufacture kits to convert their C-10 or C-12 tractor trailer
>>engines to liquified natural gas. The cleaner burning fuel is 90%
>>natural gas and 10% diesel. One company that has already converted says
>>that it no longer (annually)puts 74,000 pounds of particulate in the
>>air...(60+ trucks)...the article goes on to say that the company has
>>reduced fuel costs and has 25% longer engine life. Now, has anyone heard
>>anything lately about this old technology? And if so, is there still
>>savings between the diesel and natural gas. Inquiring minds want to
>>know...the 25% part sounds like a plus...and the subject matter on the
>>board needs to roll over.
>>
>>PS Sonny...if you're gonna start an argument on this post...please
>>don't respond to it...thanks. Fred Martin
>>
>>
>>Recovry4x4@aol.com wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>>Will somebody wake me up when we start posting about Military Vehicles[/color]
>>[/color]
> again?
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Now I know I have you as mad as a wet sitting hen BUT I don't know why you
are mad as I have only posted to this list pretty much the same way as you
and many other folks have. I have not, that I remember, called anyone an
"old fart" like one did me and I have not said "Bite me" like one did me,
rather I have tried to respond with respect but I certainly have not
received it from about three or four of you. Most people have, I'm sure,
just deleted the controversial posts and hope that it dies down, just like
I'am trying to do now. I came back and apologized to the list for a post I
made in anger concerning our inability to be able to live in harmony and
peace with the Muslim people. I thought that was the right thing to do.
I'am wondering if maybe those of you who are on my case are doing it because
you know that I'am a Chief Warrant Officer, you once had to work under one
and this is your chance to "Get Me" If thats the case then you got what you
wanted, you told me off, if not then I don't know what it is.

I will say this and shut up though, I feel bad that the posts from three or
four people are causing hard feelings to many more who certainly don't
deserve it. I feel bad for any offense that I have caused even though I'm
really not sure what I have done that is bad enough to get all these hateful
posts. It would please me to be able to explain my postings to any
moderator. This should not be a one sided thing, you shouldn't get to say
what you want and tell me to shut up, I should have the same rights on this
forum as you.

Sonny


----- Original Message -----
From: Fred Martin <mung@in-touch.net>
To: Ida Heath <spike@defuniak.com>
Cc: Military Vehicles Mailing List <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 2:08 PM
Subject: Re: [MV] MV Posts

[color=blue]
> Heres some truth for you mister...theres a time to poke those keys and a
> time to shut up! Yours seems to be mixed up. If you keep aggravating
> this board...membership will drop an email to the moderator and have
> your address blocked from using it. Theres your right to free speech! I
> won't respond to anything else from you, please do likewise....I dislike
> your attitude EXTREMELY! Go play under your truck! Fred Martin
>
> Ida Heath wrote:[color=green]
> > Fred,
> >
> > I didn't realize I started an argument. Maybe in your spare time you[/color][/color]
could[color=blue][color=green]
> > research that and address the one who did. I thought I only exercised[/color][/color]
my[color=blue][color=green]
> > freedom of expression, sorry you didn't like the truth.
> >
> > On the fuel subject, I would agree on anything that would help a[/color][/color]
situation[color=blue][color=green]
> > but if they did what you mentioned I'm just wondering where the vehicles[/color][/color]
got[color=blue][color=green]
> > their fuel from out on the road? Maybe they were a local outfit and had
> > their fuel in their own tanks.
> >
> > Sonny
> > PPPPPPP
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Fred Martin <mung@in-touch.net>
> > To: Military Vehicles Mailing List <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 1:05 PM
> > Subject: Re: [MV] MV Posts
> >
> >
> >[color=darkred]
> >>Okay Ken...let me try.
> >>
> >>I just read an older (1999) article in a magazine about the fact that if
> >>Caterpillar Tractor Co. has their way we will convert from diesel fuel
> >>to a cleaner burning natural gas engine. They say further that they have
> >>begun to manufacture kits to convert their C-10 or C-12 tractor trailer
> >>engines to liquified natural gas. The cleaner burning fuel is 90%
> >>natural gas and 10% diesel. One company that has already converted says
> >>that it no longer (annually)puts 74,000 pounds of particulate in the
> >>air...(60+ trucks)...the article goes on to say that the company has
> >>reduced fuel costs and has 25% longer engine life. Now, has anyone heard
> >>anything lately about this old technology? And if so, is there still
> >>savings between the diesel and natural gas. Inquiring minds want to
> >>know...the 25% part sounds like a plus...and the subject matter on the
> >>board needs to roll over.
> >>
> >>PS Sonny...if you're gonna start an argument on this post...please
> >>don't respond to it...thanks. Fred Martin
> >>
> >>
> >>Recovry4x4@aol.com wrote:
> >>
> >>>Will somebody wake me up when we start posting about Military Vehicles
> >>[/color]
> > again?
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Thanks Bruce,

I'am much oblidged for your opinion. I have also enjoyed our exchange of
private emails and again, I respect your opinion.

Sonny




----- Original Message -----
From: Bruce Beattie <bruce@eecs.berkeley.edu>
To: Ida Heath <spike@defuniak.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 11:19 PM
Subject: Re: [MV] MV Posts

[color=blue]
> Hi Sonny,
> First off, I don't think anyone is trying to get you for something a
> WO did to them.
> Here is my opinion and advice for which you may or may not agree with.
> it is given
> in good faith with no bad feelings of any kind associated with it.
>
> To begin with, some of the things you said were not only intelligent
> but made a lot of sense
> from a logical view point. I think you were right when you promoted the
> idea of having every
> one work with the system that had been set up. I also suspect that the
> system really is a good one.
>
> The problem comes as follows. You were in a very lucky situation where
> the command supported you
> and the system, and it verified to you that yes, the system can work
> well if followed properly.
> But, judgeing from some of the posts it would appear that most units
> were not like that, although
> admitadly the sample rate hear is much to small.
>
> The guys you are talking to were not so lucky and had to deal with a lot
> of badly managed supply
> systems for one reason or another, and you are comming accross like they
> are doing it all wrong.
> Regardless of what's right or wrong, people don't like being talked to
> that way.
>
> I think that is essentially the crux of the problem. But remember, this
> is just my opinion, and
> that is all it is.
>
> My suggestion is as follows. Forget this whole thing ever happened, and
> don't worry
> about what is right or wrong about the whole thing. You have a wealth
> of knowledge which
> you can share, so do just that. If people say things you don't like, hit[/color]
the[color=blue]
> delete key. Avoid topics that talk about opinions and stick to nuts
> and bolts. I think that
> eventually people will see your worth and forget about all this crap.
>
> I hope you take this advice in good faith and I hope that it is usefull
> to you.
>
> Sincereley,
> Bruce
>[/color]


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Search me Bruce,

During my twenty I never had a 543. What years did we have those? Was that
a wrecker?

Sorry I can't help but I know someone on the list, no doubt, can.
Keep us posted as to how you come out.


Sonny


----- Original Message -----
From: Bruce Beattie <bruce@eecs.berkeley.edu>
To: Ida Heath <spike@defuniak.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 11:16 AM
Subject: Re: [MV] MV Posts

[color=blue]
> You're wlcome Sonny,
> Now, on a different note. Do you know if there was a M543A2
> configuration where a hydraulic pump was mounted directly on the
> transfer case? This would be the output that would go to the power divider
> on some configurations. I would like to mount a hydraulic pump there and
> after looking at the manual, it looks like there is an additional oil feed
> comming
> from the bottom of the transfer case to lubricate this output when used to
> drive the power divider. I am wondering if this is necessary if the[/color]
hydraulic[color=blue]
> pump
> is mounted directly to the transfer case.
>
> Any comments greatfully received.
> Thanks,
> Bruce
>
> Ida Heath wrote:
>[color=green]
> > Thanks Bruce,
> >
> > I'am much oblidged for your opinion. I have also enjoyed our exchange[/color][/color]
of[color=blue][color=green]
> > private emails and again, I respect your opinion.
> >
> > Sonny
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Bruce Beattie <bruce@eecs.berkeley.edu>
> > To: Ida Heath <spike@defuniak.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 11:19 PM
> > Subject: Re: [MV] MV Posts
> >[color=darkred]
> > > Hi Sonny,
> > > First off, I don't think anyone is trying to get you for something[/color][/color][/color]
a[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > > WO did to them.
> > > Here is my opinion and advice for which you may or may not agree[/color][/color][/color]
with.[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > > it is given
> > > in good faith with no bad feelings of any kind associated with it.
> > >
> > > To begin with, some of the things you said were not only[/color][/color][/color]
intelligent[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > > but made a lot of sense
> > > from a logical view point. I think you were right when you promoted[/color][/color][/color]
the[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > > idea of having every
> > > one work with the system that had been set up. I also suspect that[/color][/color][/color]
the[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > > system really is a good one.
> > >
> > > The problem comes as follows. You were in a very lucky situation where
> > > the command supported you
> > > and the system, and it verified to you that yes, the system can work
> > > well if followed properly.
> > > But, judgeing from some of the posts it would appear that most units
> > > were not like that, although
> > > admitadly the sample rate hear is much to small.
> > >
> > > The guys you are talking to were not so lucky and had to deal with a[/color][/color][/color]
lot[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > > of badly managed supply
> > > systems for one reason or another, and you are comming accross like[/color][/color][/color]
they[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > > are doing it all wrong.
> > > Regardless of what's right or wrong, people don't like being talked to
> > > that way.
> > >
> > > I think that is essentially the crux of the problem. But remember,[/color][/color][/color]
this[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > > is just my opinion, and
> > > that is all it is.
> > >
> > > My suggestion is as follows. Forget this whole thing ever happened,[/color][/color][/color]
and[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > > don't worry
> > > about what is right or wrong about the whole thing. You have a[/color][/color][/color]
wealth[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > > of knowledge which
> > > you can share, so do just that. If people say things you don't like,[/color][/color][/color]
hit[color=blue][color=green]
> > the[color=darkred]
> > > delete key. Avoid topics that talk about opinions and stick to nuts
> > > and bolts. I think that
> > > eventually people will see your worth and forget about all this crap.
> > >
> > > I hope you take this advice in good faith and I hope that it is[/color][/color][/color]
usefull[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > > to you.
> > >
> > > Sincereley,
> > > Bruce
> > >[/color]
> >
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Okay, I thought it was. I remember a coupla questions on my pro pay test
about those.

Hope you find what you want Bruce.

Sonny


----- Original Message -----
From: Bruce Beattie <bruce@eecs.berkeley.edu>
To: Ida Heath <spike@defuniak.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 2:19 PM
Subject: Re: [MV] MV Posts

[color=blue]
> Hi Sonny,
> Mine is a M54A2 cargo truck but it has the same transfer case
> as the M543A2, which is a wrecker. Mine is a 68 so these are
> Nam era vehicles.
> Thanks,
> Bruce
>
> Ida Heath wrote:
>[color=green]
> > Search me Bruce,
> >
> > During my twenty I never had a 543. What years did we have those? Was[/color][/color]
that[color=blue][color=green]
> > a wrecker?
> >
> > Sorry I can't help but I know someone on the list, no doubt, can.
> > Keep us posted as to how you come out.
> >
> > Sonny
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Bruce Beattie <bruce@eecs.berkeley.edu>
> > To: Ida Heath <spike@defuniak.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 11:16 AM
> > Subject: Re: [MV] MV Posts
> >[color=darkred]
> > > You're wlcome Sonny,
> > > Now, on a different note. Do you know if there was a M543A2
> > > configuration where a hydraulic pump was mounted directly on the
> > > transfer case? This would be the output that would go to the power[/color][/color][/color]
divider[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > > on some configurations. I would like to mount a hydraulic pump there[/color][/color][/color]
and[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > > after looking at the manual, it looks like there is an additional oil[/color][/color][/color]
feed[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > > comming
> > > from the bottom of the transfer case to lubricate this output when[/color][/color][/color]
used to[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > > drive the power divider. I am wondering if this is necessary if the[/color]
> > hydraulic[color=darkred]
> > > pump
> > > is mounted directly to the transfer case.
> > >
> > > Any comments greatfully received.
> > > Thanks,
> > > Bruce
> > >
> > > Ida Heath wrote:
> > >
> > > > Thanks Bruce,
> > > >
> > > > I'am much oblidged for your opinion. I have also enjoyed our[/color][/color][/color]
exchange[color=blue][color=green]
> > of[color=darkred]
> > > > private emails and again, I respect your opinion.
> > > >
> > > > Sonny
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Bruce Beattie <bruce@eecs.berkeley.edu>
> > > > To: Ida Heath <spike@defuniak.com>
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 11:19 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [MV] MV Posts
> > > >
> > > > > Hi Sonny,
> > > > > First off, I don't think anyone is trying to get you for[/color][/color][/color]
something[color=blue][color=green]
> > a[color=darkred]
> > > > > WO did to them.
> > > > > Here is my opinion and advice for which you may or may not agree[/color]
> > with.[color=darkred]
> > > > > it is given
> > > > > in good faith with no bad feelings of any kind associated with[/color][/color][/color]
it.[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > >
> > > > > To begin with, some of the things you said were not only[/color]
> > intelligent[color=darkred]
> > > > > but made a lot of sense
> > > > > from a logical view point. I think you were right when you[/color][/color][/color]
promoted[color=blue][color=green]
> > the[color=darkred]
> > > > > idea of having every
> > > > > one work with the system that had been set up. I also suspect[/color][/color][/color]
that[color=blue][color=green]
> > the[color=darkred]
> > > > > system really is a good one.
> > > > >
> > > > > The problem comes as follows. You were in a very lucky situation[/color][/color][/color]
where[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > > the command supported you
> > > > > and the system, and it verified to you that yes, the system can[/color][/color][/color]
work[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > > well if followed properly.
> > > > > But, judgeing from some of the posts it would appear that most[/color][/color][/color]
units[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > > were not like that, although
> > > > > admitadly the sample rate hear is much to small.
> > > > >
> > > > > The guys you are talking to were not so lucky and had to deal with[/color][/color][/color]
a[color=blue][color=green]
> > lot[color=darkred]
> > > > > of badly managed supply
> > > > > systems for one reason or another, and you are comming accross[/color][/color][/color]
like[color=blue][color=green]
> > they[color=darkred]
> > > > > are doing it all wrong.
> > > > > Regardless of what's right or wrong, people don't like being[/color][/color][/color]
talked to[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > > that way.
> > > > >
> > > > > I think that is essentially the crux of the problem. But remember,[/color]
> > this[color=darkred]
> > > > > is just my opinion, and
> > > > > that is all it is.
> > > > >
> > > > > My suggestion is as follows. Forget this whole thing ever[/color][/color][/color]
happened,[color=blue][color=green]
> > and[color=darkred]
> > > > > don't worry
> > > > > about what is right or wrong about the whole thing. You have a[/color]
> > wealth[color=darkred]
> > > > > of knowledge which
> > > > > you can share, so do just that. If people say things you don't[/color][/color][/color]
like,[color=blue][color=green]
> > hit[color=darkred]
> > > > the
> > > > > delete key. Avoid topics that talk about opinions and stick to[/color][/color][/color]
nuts[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > > and bolts. I think that
> > > > > eventually people will see your worth and forget about all this[/color][/color][/color]
crap.[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > >
> > > > > I hope you take this advice in good faith and I hope that it is[/color]
> > usefull[color=darkred]
> > > > > to you.
> > > > >
> > > > > Sincereley,
> > > > > Bruce
> > > > >
> > > >
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