[MV] CANIBALS

Good Morning Sergeant Major,

Of course I've heard of cannibilzation points. I put hundreds if not
thousands of miles on the road between several points in Germany to Nelligan
Barracks near Stuttgart to the cann point BUT with DA Form 2765-1 in hand
for each item at the check out point. Stripping and loading your truck was
NOT authorized, matter of fact, you left your vehicle outside the fence and
walked in to remove the parts because they KNEW that we were thieves so it
was their way to try to control what we took legally. I went with my list,
a mechanic or two, and naturally some blank forms and a parts book in case I
saw something while there that I needed.

I didn't mean for you people to think that I was "Mister Pure" and never did
any cannibilization, I did, but all I was saying was that it was not
authorized for a unit to do higher echelon work without proper authorization
nor was it authorized to have a unit cann point.

Again, not to bragg, but I drew proficiency pay until the Army stopped it
and when I was an E-7 after graduating number three in the noncommissioned
officer advanced course at Aberdeen Proving Ground the Department of the
Army Warrant Officer Division sent my commander a letter urging him to urge
me to apply for Warrant which I did so I do believe that I qualify to speak
on the subject fellers. Thats just a little different than a fellow who
spend a hitch in a
foreign country and went back home and got out as an E-3 or E-4.

I think we have wore this thread out. As someone else said "Over and out"
Is that authorized radio lingo?

Sonny

Message -----
From: SGM Eugene Pantano <truks@cs.quik.com>
To: Military Vehicles Mailing List <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 11:39 PM
Subject: [MV] CANIBALS

[color=blue]
> I have been watching ..and trying to stay out of the subject of
> cannibalizing Military Vehicles.....
> a subject I am very informed on. For years....too many to admit to...I[/color]
have[color=blue]
> been right in the middle of the cannibalization of vehicles for the US
> Army..
> I guess you all have never heard of a "CANN POINT" ..?? What do you think[/color]
it[color=blue]
> is..?? It is a place, near a Maintenance Shop, that is used for the[/color]
storage[color=blue]
> of un-used - broke down - red-lined and various vehicles that may or may[/color]
not[color=blue]
> be complete. Repair of these vehicles is not economically feasible. When[/color]
a[color=blue]
> Battery, Company, Battalion...or whoever ...If they need a part from one[/color]
of[color=blue]
> the vehicles at a "cann point"... They will send a "Authorized" parts
> scrounger there to get whatever part they need...he/or she - must have
> written authorization to get into the "point"...except in COMBAT AREAS....
> Sometimes, most of a vehicle will go with the scroungers. This has been
> going on in the Army since the Last Supper..and will continue forever and[/color]
a[color=blue]
> day... Without cannibalization, combat areas, and line operations could[/color]
come[color=blue]
> to a screeching halt. Ordering parts in Iraq, and receiving them in a[/color]
timely[color=blue]
> manner is out of the question... My old Unit..which I am in constant touch
> with....does not order parts. They are removed from various "deadlined"
> vehicles. If there is no part available on any of the vehicles at a cann
> point...then the dead vehicle winds up there as a "parts bin"....
> This is how it is done gents..like it or not. It save thousands of
> dollars...not to mention the expedience of getting a vehicle back in
> action.......
> I have actual photos and films of a Unit in the Korea War...doing just[/color]
what[color=blue]
> I am talking about. Why do you think busted up vehicles - to include
> tanks...were hauled back to a certain holding area...? It was for
> cannibalization...at the cann point. !! out here..................Gene
>
>
>
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Isn't it sad that the United States Military personnel has decided to do
double work and not allow the supply system to work all these years?

Sonny


----- Original Message -----
From: <dodgew200@mchsi.com>
To: Military Vehicles Mailing List <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 12:04 AM
Subject: Re: [MV] CANIBALS

[color=blue]
> The Navy does the same thing with it's aircraft. Too many times I've come[/color]
back[color=blue]
> from a deployment only to be told to rape, rob and strip full FMC jets so[/color]
the[color=blue]
> parts could go to a squadron that is deploying. THen we have a hanger full[/color]
of[color=blue]
> parts bins.....a few that actually can fly. the fun part is...each[/color]
aircraft has[color=blue]
> to fly within a certain number of days...so the big game of fix one jet so[/color]
it[color=blue]
> can fly ONCE...then rob all the parts back out and put them in yet ANOTHER[/color]
jet[color=blue]
> so it can fly....ONCE...and over and over and over...
>
> It's not so bad now...but cannabalization is and allways will be part of[/color]
ANY[color=blue]
> military mainteneance organization....no matter what anybody says...
>
> Lurker Rob
> --
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>
>[color=green]
> > I have been watching ..and trying to stay out of the subject of
> > cannibalizing Military Vehicles.....
> > a subject I am very informed on. For years....too many to admit to...I[/color][/color]
have[color=blue][color=green]
> > been right in the middle of the cannibalization of vehicles for the US
> > Army..
> > I guess you all have never heard of a "CANN POINT" ..?? What do you[/color][/color]
think it[color=blue][color=green]
> > is..?? It is a place, near a Maintenance Shop, that is used for the[/color][/color]
storage[color=blue][color=green]
> > of un-used - broke down - red-lined and various vehicles that may or may[/color][/color]
not[color=blue][color=green]
> > be complete. Repair of these vehicles is not economically feasible.[/color][/color]
When a[color=blue][color=green]
> > Battery, Company, Battalion...or whoever ...If they need a part from one[/color][/color]
of[color=blue][color=green]
> > the vehicles at a "cann point"... They will send a "Authorized" parts
> > scrounger there to get whatever part they need...he/or she - must have
> > written authorization to get into the "point"...except in COMBAT[/color][/color]
AREAS....[color=blue][color=green]
> > Sometimes, most of a vehicle will go with the scroungers. This has been
> > going on in the Army since the Last Supper..and will continue forever[/color][/color]
and a[color=blue][color=green]
> > day... Without cannibalization, combat areas, and line operations could[/color][/color]
come[color=blue][color=green]
> > to a screeching halt. Ordering parts in Iraq, and receiving them in a[/color][/color]
timely[color=blue][color=green]
> > manner is out of the question... My old Unit..which I am in constant[/color][/color]
touch[color=blue][color=green]
> > with....does not order parts. They are removed from various "deadlined"
> > vehicles. If there is no part available on any of the vehicles at a cann
> > point...then the dead vehicle winds up there as a "parts bin"....
> > This is how it is done gents..like it or not. It save thousands of
> > dollars...not to mention the expedience of getting a vehicle back in
> > action.......
> > I have actual photos and films of a Unit in the Korea War...doing just[/color][/color]
what[color=blue][color=green]
> > I am talking about. Why do you think busted up vehicles - to include
> > tanks...were hauled back to a certain holding area...? It was for
> > cannibalization...at the cann point. !! out here..................Gene
> >
> >
> >
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A topical picture is by pure chance on [url]www.milweb.net[/url] - head for the
Vehicle Park and in the main frame is a cannibalisation picture from
1944..... the sign actually reads "You may help yourself from here"

Cheers, N


----- Original Message -----
From: "Ida Heath" <spike@defuniak.com>
To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <>
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 2:31 PM
Subject: Re: [MV] CANIBALS

[color=blue]
> Good Morning Sergeant Major,
>
> Of course I've heard of cannibilzation points. I put hundreds if not
> thousands of miles on the road between several points in Germany to[/color]
Nelligan[color=blue]
> Barracks near Stuttgart to the cann point BUT with DA Form 2765-1 in hand
> for each item at the check out point. Stripping and loading your truck[/color]
was[color=blue]
> NOT authorized, matter of fact, you left your vehicle outside the fence[/color]
and[color=blue]
> walked in to remove the parts because they KNEW that we were thieves so it
> was their way to try to control what we took legally. I went with my[/color]
list,[color=blue]
> a mechanic or two, and naturally some blank forms and a parts book in case[/color]
I[color=blue]
> saw something while there that I needed.
>
> I didn't mean for you people to think that I was "Mister Pure" and never[/color]
did[color=blue]
> any cannibilization, I did, but all I was saying was that it was not
> authorized for a unit to do higher echelon work without proper[/color]
authorization[color=blue]
> nor was it authorized to have a unit cann point.
>
> Again, not to bragg, but I drew proficiency pay until the Army stopped it
> and when I was an E-7 after graduating number three in the[/color]
noncommissioned[color=blue]
> officer advanced course at Aberdeen Proving Ground the Department of the
> Army Warrant Officer Division sent my commander a letter urging him to[/color]
urge[color=blue]
> me to apply for Warrant which I did so I do believe that I qualify to[/color]
speak[color=blue]
> on the subject fellers. Thats just a little different than a fellow who
> spend a hitch in a
> foreign country and went back home and got out as an E-3 or E-4.
>
> I think we have wore this thread out. As someone else said "Over and out"
> Is that authorized radio lingo?
>
> Sonny
>
> Message -----
> From: SGM Eugene Pantano <truks@cs.quik.com>
> To: Military Vehicles Mailing List <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 11:39 PM
> Subject: [MV] CANIBALS
>
>[color=green]
> > I have been watching ..and trying to stay out of the subject of
> > cannibalizing Military Vehicles.....
> > a subject I am very informed on. For years....too many to admit to...I[/color]
> have[color=green]
> > been right in the middle of the cannibalization of vehicles for the US
> > Army..
> > I guess you all have never heard of a "CANN POINT" ..?? What do you[/color][/color]
think[color=blue]
> it[color=green]
> > is..?? It is a place, near a Maintenance Shop, that is used for the[/color]
> storage[color=green]
> > of un-used - broke down - red-lined and various vehicles that may or may[/color]
> not[color=green]
> > be complete. Repair of these vehicles is not economically feasible.[/color][/color]
When[color=blue]
> a[color=green]
> > Battery, Company, Battalion...or whoever ...If they need a part from one[/color]
> of[color=green]
> > the vehicles at a "cann point"... They will send a "Authorized" parts
> > scrounger there to get whatever part they need...he/or she - must have
> > written authorization to get into the "point"...except in COMBAT[/color][/color]
AREAS....[color=blue][color=green]
> > Sometimes, most of a vehicle will go with the scroungers. This has been
> > going on in the Army since the Last Supper..and will continue forever[/color][/color]
and[color=blue]
> a[color=green]
> > day... Without cannibalization, combat areas, and line operations could[/color]
> come[color=green]
> > to a screeching halt. Ordering parts in Iraq, and receiving them in a[/color]
> timely[color=green]
> > manner is out of the question... My old Unit..which I am in constant[/color][/color]
touch[color=blue][color=green]
> > with....does not order parts. They are removed from various "deadlined"
> > vehicles. If there is no part available on any of the vehicles at a cann
> > point...then the dead vehicle winds up there as a "parts bin"....
> > This is how it is done gents..like it or not. It save thousands of
> > dollars...not to mention the expedience of getting a vehicle back in
> > action.......
> > I have actual photos and films of a Unit in the Korea War...doing just[/color]
> what[color=green]
> > I am talking about. Why do you think busted up vehicles - to include
> > tanks...were hauled back to a certain holding area...? It was for
> > cannibalization...at the cann point. !! out here..................Gene
> >
> >
> >
> > ===Mil-Veh is a member-supported mailing list===
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> > To switch to the DIGEST mode, send e-mail to[/color][/color]
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>
>
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At 7:42 AM -0500 6/30/04, Ida Heath wrote:[color=blue]
>Isn't it sad that the United States Military personnel has decided to do
>double work and not allow the supply system to work all these years?[/color]

Ida, its been my understanding that the supply
system sometimes doesn't work. It breaks down,
there are stoppages somewhere or units are asked
to do more with less. I see this all the time in
the corporate sector at CNN. We bought a series
of machines that were a great deal at the time. A
few years later the company went TU and closed
down. Now we've got lots of Aable boxes (like a
Sun 420R) that are slowly dying. Deadlined boxes
are stripped for useful components and then the
chassis' tossed.
[color=blue]
>From my readings the British supply system broke [/color]
down during the latest conflict as they needed
every powerpack available for challenger tanks
and just managed to maintain most of them. Some
tanks however were left behind with crews for
want of key components that could not be
delivered. As I understand it, they stripped from
the entire supply system every powerpack
available from other units not in Iraq to keep
the combat units supplied. The Brits aren't old
hands at this warfighting thing.

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I think Ryan may be wrong - the Brits are in fact very old hands at "this
warfighting thing" - I think we were in Afghanistan long before our chums
across the pond had decided aruguew about wether to abolish slavery or
not...... and we had attacked Iraq before 1920......... That aside, I
think the supply or lack of sutuation was sexed up by the press, I do
understand there was a problem with levels of available air filters for some
of our armour and the press banged on about lack of proper boots - all sells
newspapers and isolated incidents are hyped up to be endemic..
I am told that the deserts of North Africa are different sand to the deserts
of Iraq.
NH

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ryan Gill" <rmgill@mindspring.com>
To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 3:49 PM
Subject: Re: [MV] CANIBALS


At 7:42 AM -0500 6/30/04, Ida Heath wrote:[color=blue]
>Isn't it sad that the United States Military personnel has decided to do
>double work and not allow the supply system to work all these years?[/color]

Ida, its been my understanding that the supply
system sometimes doesn't work. It breaks down,
there are stoppages somewhere or units are asked
to do more with less. I see this all the time in
the corporate sector at CNN. We bought a series
of machines that were a great deal at the time. A
few years later the company went TU and closed
down. Now we've got lots of Aable boxes (like a
Sun 420R) that are slowly dying. Deadlined boxes
are stripped for useful components and then the
chassis' tossed.
[color=blue]
>From my readings the British supply system broke[/color]
down during the latest conflict as they needed
every powerpack available for challenger tanks
and just managed to maintain most of them. Some
tanks however were left behind with crews for
want of key components that could not be
delivered. As I understand it, they stripped from
the entire supply system every powerpack
available from other units not in Iraq to keep
the combat units supplied. The Brits aren't old
hands at this warfighting thing.

--
--
Ryan Gill [email]rmgill@SPAMmindspring.com[/email]
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|: O(4) == O :| _Oo\=======/_O_ |____\ /____|
|---\________/---| [__O_______W__] |x||_\ /_||x|
|s|\ /|s| |s|/BSV 575\|s| |x|-\| |/-|x|
|s|=\______/=|s| |s|=|_____|=|s| |x|--|_____|--|x|
|s| |s| |s| |s| |x| |x|
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At 4:27 PM +0200 6/30/04, Nigel Hay wrote:[color=blue]
>I think Ryan may be wrong - the Brits are in fact very old hands at "this
>warfighting thing" - I think we were in Afghanistan long before our chums[/color]

Nigel, that was sarcasm. You know, dry humor that states a negative
to proove a positive...You've been in France too long my friend. I
recommend 10 episodes of the Flying Circus!




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----- Original Message -----
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To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 10:39 AM
Subject: Re: [MV] CANIBALS

[color=blue]
> At 4:27 PM +0200 6/30/04, Nigel Hay wrote:[color=green]
> >I think Ryan may be wrong - the Brits are in fact very old hands at[/color][/color]
"this[color=blue][color=green]
> >warfighting thing" - I think we were in Afghanistan long before our[/color][/color]
chums[color=blue]
>
> Nigel, that was sarcasm. You know, dry humor that states a negative
> to proove a positive...You've been in France too long my friend. I
> recommend 10 episodes of the Flying Circus!
>
>
>
>
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