[MV] Onion, or parfait?

04-22-2006, 00:28

When does a hobby stop being a hobby and start being commerce? What makes commerce, commerce?

Bubba loves military vehicles. He owns an M35. He loves militaria. He loves surplus. He's got minatures of military vehicles on every horizontal surface in his house (that he won't let his grandkids touch), he's got model airplanes hanging from the ceilings and military recruiting posters on the walls. His toilet seat has a fuzzy cammo cover on it. He's even got jammies with little army trucks on them. It's his hobby.

Bubba spends a lot of money on his hobby. Then one day, Bubba discovered GL was selling a lot-purchase of items that included a rare left-handed frim-fram device that he needed for his M35. Bubba realized that if he could buy the whole Magilla and sell off the crap he could probably get the left-handed frim-fram device for nothing. In short, if he did the deal, he would realize a "profit" of one left-handed frim-fram device.

Bubba drives his M35 to GL and picks up his purchases. Is he in commerce?

No. Bubba's purchase was primarily in pursuit of his hobby. His only INTENT when he made the purchase was to get the left-handed frim-fram device. He would not have bought the lot-purchase if it had not contained the one item he wanted, therefore profit was not a primary goal. Any profit he might realize when he sells off the unwanted items is only incidental.

But while he's there, Bubba realizes there's a WHOLE PALLET of rare left-handed frim-fram devices. Bubba realizes it's the mother lode and later manages to buy them with the intent of putting an ad in MV Magazine in order to sell them. He drives his M35 to GL and picks up his purchase. He hasn't sold a single left-handed frim-fram device yet. Is he in commerce?

Yes. Bubba's purchase can be described as a fixed and persistant INTENT to realize a profit, even if it's a one-time deal and even if he hasn't made any profit yet.

In short, if the behavior is conducted primarily for any person to realize a profit; it's a commercial enterprise.

An onion has layers. Parfait has layers. But an onion isn't parfait.
TJ

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04-22-2006, 00:28

Thats a good one TJ, More notes for my folder.

Sonny

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From: <timothy.smith1 (AT) att (DOT) net>
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Subject: [MV] Onion, or parfait?

[color=blue]
> When does a hobby stop being a hobby and start being commerce? What makes
> commerce, commerce?
>
> Bubba loves military vehicles. He owns an M35. He loves militaria. He
> loves surplus. He's got minatures of military vehicles on every
> horizontal surface in his house (that he won't let his grandkids touch),
> he's got model airplanes hanging from the ceilings and military recruiting
> posters on the walls. His toilet seat has a fuzzy cammo cover on it.
> He's even got jammies with little army trucks on them. It's his hobby.
>
> Bubba spends a lot of money on his hobby. Then one day, Bubba discovered
> GL was selling a lot-purchase of items that included a rare left-handed
> frim-fram device that he needed for his M35. Bubba realized that if he
> could buy the whole Magilla and sell off the crap he could probably get
> the left-handed frim-fram device for nothing. In short, if he did the
> deal, he would realize a "profit" of one left-handed frim-fram device.
>
> Bubba drives his M35 to GL and picks up his purchases. Is he in commerce?
>
> No. Bubba's purchase was primarily in pursuit of his hobby. His only
> INTENT when he made the purchase was to get the left-handed frim-fram
> device. He would not have bought the lot-purchase if it had not contained
> the one item he wanted, therefore profit was not a primary goal. Any
> profit he might realize when he sells off the unwanted items is only
> incidental.
>
> But while he's there, Bubba realizes there's a WHOLE PALLET of rare
> left-handed frim-fram devices. Bubba realizes it's the mother lode and
> later manages to buy them with the intent of putting an ad in MV Magazine
> in order to sell them. He drives his M35 to GL and picks up his purchase.
> He hasn't sold a single left-handed frim-fram device yet. Is he in
> commerce?
>
> Yes. Bubba's purchase can be described as a fixed and persistant INTENT
> to realize a profit, even if it's a one-time deal and even if he hasn't
> made any profit yet.
>
> In short, if the behavior is conducted primarily for any person to realize
> a profit; it's a commercial enterprise.
>
> An onion has layers. Parfait has layers. But an onion isn't parfait.
> TJ
>
>
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04-22-2006, 00:29

Well,I for one think that your RV toter is a beautiful piece of equipment. I
don't care if you buy,sell or whatever. I have yet to meet anyone in this
hobby that is making big bucks. Ronzo should lighten up. Vinny
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sonny Heath" <sonny (AT) defuniak (DOT) com>
To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <mil-veh (AT) mil-veh (DOT) org>
Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 6:52 PM
Subject: Re: [MV] Onion, or parfait?

[color=blue]
> Thats a good one TJ, More notes for my folder.
>
>
>
> Sonny
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <timothy.smith1 (AT) att (DOT) net>
> To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <mil-veh (AT) mil-veh (DOT) org>
> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 5:20 PM
> Subject: [MV] Onion, or parfait?
>
>[color=green]
>> When does a hobby stop being a hobby and start being commerce? What
>> makes commerce, commerce?
>>
>> Bubba loves military vehicles. He owns an M35. He loves militaria. He
>> loves surplus. He's got minatures of military vehicles on every
>> horizontal surface in his house (that he won't let his grandkids touch),
>> he's got model airplanes hanging from the ceilings and military
>> recruiting posters on the walls. His toilet seat has a fuzzy cammo cover
>> on it. He's even got jammies with little army trucks on them. It's his
>> hobby.
>>
>> Bubba spends a lot of money on his hobby. Then one day, Bubba discovered
>> GL was selling a lot-purchase of items that included a rare left-handed
>> frim-fram device that he needed for his M35. Bubba realized that if he
>> could buy the whole Magilla and sell off the crap he could probably get
>> the left-handed frim-fram device for nothing. In short, if he did the
>> deal, he would realize a "profit" of one left-handed frim-fram device.
>>
>> Bubba drives his M35 to GL and picks up his purchases. Is he in
>> commerce?
>>
>> No. Bubba's purchase was primarily in pursuit of his hobby. His only
>> INTENT when he made the purchase was to get the left-handed frim-fram
>> device. He would not have bought the lot-purchase if it had not
>> contained the one item he wanted, therefore profit was not a primary
>> goal. Any profit he might realize when he sells off the unwanted items
>> is only incidental.
>>
>> But while he's there, Bubba realizes there's a WHOLE PALLET of rare
>> left-handed frim-fram devices. Bubba realizes it's the mother lode and
>> later manages to buy them with the intent of putting an ad in MV Magazine
>> in order to sell them. He drives his M35 to GL and picks up his
>> purchase. He hasn't sold a single left-handed frim-fram device yet. Is
>> he in commerce?
>>
>> Yes. Bubba's purchase can be described as a fixed and persistant INTENT
>> to realize a profit, even if it's a one-time deal and even if he hasn't
>> made any profit yet.
>>
>> In short, if the behavior is conducted primarily for any person to
>> realize a profit; it's a commercial enterprise.
>>
>> An onion has layers. Parfait has layers. But an onion isn't parfait.
>> TJ
>>
>>
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>>
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>> 12/23/2005
>>
>>[/color]
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04-22-2006, 00:29

>>[color=blue][color=green]
>> Bubba loves military vehicles. He owns an M35. He loves militaria.
>> He loves surplus. He's got minatures of military vehicles on every
>> horizontal surface in his house (that he won't let his grandkids
>> touch), he's got model airplanes hanging from the ceilings and
>> military recruiting posters on the walls. His toilet seat has a
>> fuzzy cammo cover on it. He's even got jammies with little army
>> trucks on them. It's his hobby.
>>
>> Bubba spends a lot of money on his hobby. Then one day, Bubba
>> discovered GL was selling a lot-purchase of items that included a
>> rare left-handed frim-fram device that he needed for his M35. Bubba
>> realized that if he could buy the whole Magilla and sell off the
>> crap he could probably get the left-handed frim-fram device for
>> nothing. In short, if he did the deal, he would realize a "profit"
>> of one left-handed frim-fram device.
>>
>> Bubba drives his M35 to GL and picks up his purchases. Is he in commerce?
>>[/color][/color]

Now I am paranoid that TJ has sent the DOT spys to my house. But wait,
I looked at the PJ's but couldn't find any in 2XL so I didn't buy them.

Mike
Tishomingo, Mississippi

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04-22-2006, 00:28	#1 (permalink)
timothy.smith1@att.net Civilians	[MV] Onion, or parfait? When does a hobby stop being a hobby and start being commerce? What makes commerce, commerce? Bubba loves military vehicles. He owns an M35. He loves militaria. He loves surplus. He's got minatures of military vehicles on every horizontal surface in his house (that he won't let his grandkids touch), he's got model airplanes hanging from the ceilings and military recruiting posters on the walls. His toilet seat has a fuzzy cammo cover on it. He's even got jammies with little army trucks on them. It's his hobby. Bubba spends a lot of money on his hobby. Then one day, Bubba discovered GL was selling a lot-purchase of items that included a rare left-handed frim-fram device that he needed for his M35. Bubba realized that if he could buy the whole Magilla and sell off the crap he could probably get the left-handed frim-fram device for nothing. In short, if he did the deal, he would realize a "profit" of one left-handed frim-fram device. Bubba drives his M35 to GL and picks up his purchases. Is he in commerce? No. Bubba's purchase was primarily in pursuit of his hobby. His only INTENT when he made the purchase was to get the left-handed frim-fram device. He would not have bought the lot-purchase if it had not contained the one item he wanted, therefore profit was not a primary goal. Any profit he might realize when he sells off the unwanted items is only incidental. But while he's there, Bubba realizes there's a WHOLE PALLET of rare left-handed frim-fram devices. Bubba realizes it's the mother lode and later manages to buy them with the intent of putting an ad in MV Magazine in order to sell them. He drives his M35 to GL and picks up his purchase. He hasn't sold a single left-handed frim-fram device yet. Is he in commerce? Yes. Bubba's purchase can be described as a fixed and persistant INTENT to realize a profit, even if it's a one-time deal and even if he hasn't made any profit yet. In short, if the behavior is conducted primarily for any person to realize a profit; it's a commercial enterprise. An onion has layers. Parfait has layers. But an onion isn't parfait. TJ ===Mil-Veh is a member-supported mailing list=== To unsubscribe, send e-mail to <mil-veh-off (AT) mil-veh (DOT) org> To reach a human, contact <ackyle (AT) gmail (DOT) com> Visit the searchable archives at [url]http://www.mil-veh.org/archives/[/url]

04-22-2006, 00:28	#2 (permalink)
Sonny Heath Civilians	Re: [MV] Onion, or parfait? Thats a good one TJ, More notes for my folder. Sonny ----- Original Message ----- From: <timothy.smith1 (AT) att (DOT) net> To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <mil-veh (AT) mil-veh (DOT) org> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 5:20 PM Subject: [MV] Onion, or parfait? [color=blue] > When does a hobby stop being a hobby and start being commerce? What makes > commerce, commerce? > > Bubba loves military vehicles. He owns an M35. He loves militaria. He > loves surplus. He's got minatures of military vehicles on every > horizontal surface in his house (that he won't let his grandkids touch), > he's got model airplanes hanging from the ceilings and military recruiting > posters on the walls. His toilet seat has a fuzzy cammo cover on it. > He's even got jammies with little army trucks on them. It's his hobby. > > Bubba spends a lot of money on his hobby. Then one day, Bubba discovered > GL was selling a lot-purchase of items that included a rare left-handed > frim-fram device that he needed for his M35. Bubba realized that if he > could buy the whole Magilla and sell off the crap he could probably get > the left-handed frim-fram device for nothing. In short, if he did the > deal, he would realize a "profit" of one left-handed frim-fram device. > > Bubba drives his M35 to GL and picks up his purchases. Is he in commerce? > > No. Bubba's purchase was primarily in pursuit of his hobby. His only > INTENT when he made the purchase was to get the left-handed frim-fram > device. He would not have bought the lot-purchase if it had not contained > the one item he wanted, therefore profit was not a primary goal. Any > profit he might realize when he sells off the unwanted items is only > incidental. > > But while he's there, Bubba realizes there's a WHOLE PALLET of rare > left-handed frim-fram devices. Bubba realizes it's the mother lode and > later manages to buy them with the intent of putting an ad in MV Magazine > in order to sell them. He drives his M35 to GL and picks up his purchase. > He hasn't sold a single left-handed frim-fram device yet. Is he in > commerce? > > Yes. Bubba's purchase can be described as a fixed and persistant INTENT > to realize a profit, even if it's a one-time deal and even if he hasn't > made any profit yet. > > In short, if the behavior is conducted primarily for any person to realize > a profit; it's a commercial enterprise. > > An onion has layers. Parfait has layers. But an onion isn't parfait. > TJ > > > ===Mil-Veh is a member-supported mailing list=== > To unsubscribe, send e-mail to <mil-veh-off (AT) mil-veh (DOT) org> > To reach a human, contact <ackyle (AT) gmail (DOT) com> > Visit the searchable archives at [url]http://www.mil-veh.org/archives/[/url] > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.7/214 - Release Date: 12/23/2005 > > [/color] ===Mil-Veh is a member-supported mailing list=== To unsubscribe, send e-mail to <mil-veh-off (AT) mil-veh (DOT) org> To reach a human, contact <ackyle (AT) gmail (DOT) com> Visit the searchable archives at [url]http://www.mil-veh.org/archives/[/url]

04-22-2006, 00:29	#3 (permalink)
V SCHWARTZ Civilians	Re: [MV] Onion, or parfait? Well,I for one think that your RV toter is a beautiful piece of equipment. I don't care if you buy,sell or whatever. I have yet to meet anyone in this hobby that is making big bucks. Ronzo should lighten up. Vinny ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sonny Heath" <sonny (AT) defuniak (DOT) com> To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <mil-veh (AT) mil-veh (DOT) org> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 6:52 PM Subject: Re: [MV] Onion, or parfait? [color=blue] > Thats a good one TJ, More notes for my folder. > > > > Sonny > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <timothy.smith1 (AT) att (DOT) net> > To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <mil-veh (AT) mil-veh (DOT) org> > Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 5:20 PM > Subject: [MV] Onion, or parfait? > >[color=green] >> When does a hobby stop being a hobby and start being commerce? What >> makes commerce, commerce? >> >> Bubba loves military vehicles. He owns an M35. He loves militaria. He >> loves surplus. He's got minatures of military vehicles on every >> horizontal surface in his house (that he won't let his grandkids touch), >> he's got model airplanes hanging from the ceilings and military >> recruiting posters on the walls. His toilet seat has a fuzzy cammo cover >> on it. He's even got jammies with little army trucks on them. It's his >> hobby. >> >> Bubba spends a lot of money on his hobby. Then one day, Bubba discovered >> GL was selling a lot-purchase of items that included a rare left-handed >> frim-fram device that he needed for his M35. Bubba realized that if he >> could buy the whole Magilla and sell off the crap he could probably get >> the left-handed frim-fram device for nothing. In short, if he did the >> deal, he would realize a "profit" of one left-handed frim-fram device. >> >> Bubba drives his M35 to GL and picks up his purchases. Is he in >> commerce? >> >> No. Bubba's purchase was primarily in pursuit of his hobby. His only >> INTENT when he made the purchase was to get the left-handed frim-fram >> device. He would not have bought the lot-purchase if it had not >> contained the one item he wanted, therefore profit was not a primary >> goal. Any profit he might realize when he sells off the unwanted items >> is only incidental. >> >> But while he's there, Bubba realizes there's a WHOLE PALLET of rare >> left-handed frim-fram devices. Bubba realizes it's the mother lode and >> later manages to buy them with the intent of putting an ad in MV Magazine >> in order to sell them. He drives his M35 to GL and picks up his >> purchase. He hasn't sold a single left-handed frim-fram device yet. Is >> he in commerce? >> >> Yes. Bubba's purchase can be described as a fixed and persistant INTENT >> to realize a profit, even if it's a one-time deal and even if he hasn't >> made any profit yet. >> >> In short, if the behavior is conducted primarily for any person to >> realize a profit; it's a commercial enterprise. >> >> An onion has layers. Parfait has layers. But an onion isn't parfait. >> TJ >> >> >> ===Mil-Veh is a member-supported mailing list=== >> To unsubscribe, send e-mail to <mil-veh-off (AT) mil-veh (DOT) org> >> To reach a human, contact <ackyle (AT) gmail (DOT) com> >> Visit the searchable archives at [url]http://www.mil-veh.org/archives/[/url] >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.7/214 - Release Date: >> 12/23/2005 >> >>[/color] > > > ===Mil-Veh is a member-supported mailing list=== > To unsubscribe, send e-mail to <mil-veh-off (AT) mil-veh (DOT) org> > To reach a human, contact <ackyle (AT) gmail (DOT) com> > Visit the searchable archives at [url]http://www.mil-veh.org/archives/[/url] > [/color] ===Mil-Veh is a member-supported mailing list=== To unsubscribe, send e-mail to <mil-veh-off (AT) mil-veh (DOT) org> To reach a human, contact <ackyle (AT) gmail (DOT) com> Visit the searchable archives at [url]http://www.mil-veh.org/archives/[/url]

04-22-2006, 00:29	#4 (permalink)
Michael Howell Civilians	Re: [MV] Onion, or parfait? >>[color=blue][color=green] >> Bubba loves military vehicles. He owns an M35. He loves militaria. >> He loves surplus. He's got minatures of military vehicles on every >> horizontal surface in his house (that he won't let his grandkids >> touch), he's got model airplanes hanging from the ceilings and >> military recruiting posters on the walls. His toilet seat has a >> fuzzy cammo cover on it. He's even got jammies with little army >> trucks on them. It's his hobby. >> >> Bubba spends a lot of money on his hobby. Then one day, Bubba >> discovered GL was selling a lot-purchase of items that included a >> rare left-handed frim-fram device that he needed for his M35. Bubba >> realized that if he could buy the whole Magilla and sell off the >> crap he could probably get the left-handed frim-fram device for >> nothing. In short, if he did the deal, he would realize a "profit" >> of one left-handed frim-fram device. >> >> Bubba drives his M35 to GL and picks up his purchases. Is he in commerce? >>[/color][/color] Now I am paranoid that TJ has sent the DOT spys to my house. But wait, I looked at the PJ's but couldn't find any in 2XL so I didn't buy them. Mike Tishomingo, Mississippi ===Mil-Veh is a member-supported mailing list=== To unsubscribe, send e-mail to <mil-veh-off (AT) mil-veh (DOT) org> To reach a human, contact <ackyle (AT) gmail (DOT) com> Visit the searchable archives at [url]http://www.mil-veh.org/archives/[/url]

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