Re: [MV] Diesel engine woes, M1009 timing chain?

Thanks,
Did that earlier on, but I think I will go back and put on the red
locktite
to make sure that doesn't come back and bite me.
Bruce

Bones wrote:
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>You might also check the tightness of the bolts holding the torque convertor
>to the flywheel, when they loosen even a bit, which they are fond of, it
>makes quite a bit of hard-to- locate extra racket on the CUCVs. Red Loctite
>cures the syndrome nicely.
>Best,
>
>T. Bones Morris
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Bruce C. Beattie" <bruce@eecs.berkeley.edu>
>To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
>Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 11:41 AM
>Subject: Re: [MV] Diesel engine woes, M1009 timing chain?
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>>Thanks Stu,
>> I hope you are right. It is probably my imagination, but it seems
>>like it is louder now.
>>Bruce
>>
>>Stu Ellis wrote:
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>>>I think they all sound like that. So does mine. It only had 38,000
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>miles
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>>>when I got it. It now has 48,000.
>>>
>>> "Stu"
>>>Southern New Hampshire, USA
>>> "Live Free Or Die"
>>>
>>>MVPA #14790
>>>1967 M151A1 Jeep
>>>1964 M416 Trailer
>>>1986 M1009 Blazer
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: Military Vehicles Mailing List [mailto:mil-veh@mil-veh.org] On
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>Behalf
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>>>Of Bruce C. Beattie
>>>Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 12:17 PM
>>>To: Military Vehicles Mailing List
>>>Subject: Re: [MV] Diesel engine woes, M1009 timing chain?
>>>Importance: High
>>>
>>>Hi Caleb,
>>> I have an M1008 and I have been hearing this noise at idle that
>>>sounds like something
>>>clanking around, almost like a bad bearing. I don't think it is any of
>>>the belt driven stuff,
>>>so I am beginning to suspect the timing chain too. Supposedly the truck
>>>only had 15k on it when
>>>I got it, and it shows about 34k now. By in large it runs pretty good,
>>>but this noise is driving me crazy.
>>>Bruce MVPA 23824
>>>
>>>Caleb Pal - MilVeh wrote:
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>>>>Hello all,
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>>>>Haven't posted here in a while. I have a couple projects going on right
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>>>now.
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>>>>Il'l start with the M1009. 84 M1009, 75,000 miles, runs great, no smoke,
>>>>sometimes a tad hard to start, usually just me not manually glowing it
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>long
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>>>>enough. What I have heard ever since I have gotten the truck just about
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>a
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>>>>year ago, is a noise coming from the front of the engine when idling. I
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>>>will
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>>>>be about 5 feet in front of the truck, and even further away, I can hear
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>a
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>>>>noise, its like ball bearings rolling around in a pot. like a clicking
>>>>noise, like the fan is hitting something, but its not. I pop the hood
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>and
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>>>>listen, but the engine noise is too much to hear it. I started up the
>>>>
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>fire
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>>>>departments M1008 with 72k miles on it (I think) and it doesn't have the
>>>>noise. Is it possible it could be the timing chain on the M1009 making
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>this
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>>>>noise? I know average replacement is about 100k miles, but I don't know
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>if
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>>>>the chain had a bit of slap, if it could make such a noise. I had the
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>oil
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>>>>pan off a month ago, and I could feel the tension on the chain. I can't
>>>>remeber now, but one side had quite a bit of slack on it, and the other
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>>>side
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>>>>was tensioned, but not totally tight from what I could tell from the
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>>>bottom.
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>>>>I didn't think to do a full inspection on it then, which wasn't too
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>bright.
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>>>>So any ideas about that sound and what could cause it. I know its not
>>>>
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>that
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>>>>alternators, doubt the PS pump, but not toally sure.
>>>>
>>>>Second is the vegetable oil conversion. The 4cylinder diesel engine is
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>off
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>>>>of a Carrier Transicold cooling unit. The engine was made in 1980, in
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>the
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>>>>UK. Its a inline 4 perkins 4.108, or 4108. The problem with it is that
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>it
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>>>>has sat for about 8-10 years. Last date on the oil filters and fuel
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>filters
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>>>>were 91. I got it running, and it ran like hell, rough at WOT. I took
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>the
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>>>>injectors out and cleaned them, basically just cleaned stuff off the
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>tips.
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>>>>It runs ok now, smokes a bit at idle, and puffs a good amount of smoke,
>>>>like when an injector is misfiring or something, about every 3-8 seconds
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>>>>
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>>>At
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>>>>WOT it smokes quite a bit more, and misses and puffs a bit of smoke,
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>about
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>>>>every 2-5 seconds. I pulled all the injectors out, hooked an injector to
>>>>
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>>>one
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>>>>of the lines, and turned the engine over with the starter. It shoots
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>fuel
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>>>>about 4-8 inches, as a pretty straight and even stream, and about 12-14
>>>>inches out it starts to atomize and go into a mist. I know it doesnt
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>have a
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>>>>foot of space to atomize in the engine, so is the pop off pressure too
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>low
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>>>>and its not turing into a mist soon enough, and dumping too much fuel
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>in,
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>>>>hence the smoke? I tried all of the injectors, let them shoot for 2-3
>>>>
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>>>times,
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>>>>and they all preformed the same. Its kind of a low budget project, and I
>>>>don't feel like dropping $40-$70 each into new injectors. I know if I
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>take
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>>>>the return line rail off the toppof the all, there is a allen head in
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>>>there,
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>>>>is this the pop off pressure adjustment? The injectors are flat on the
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>end,
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>>>>with a little tiny tip sticking out in the middle. Any ideas for this is
>>>>greatly appriciated, I will try and grab some pictures if anyone is
>>>>interested.
>>>>
>>>>Last, is my pictures project. I have pictures of my M1009, and soon to
>>>>
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>have
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>>>>pictures of my M211 (soon to be FS) and the fire departments M35A2 and
>>>>M1008, and M107A2? (I think, water buffalo). If interested, visit the
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>site
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>>>>at [url]http://pictures.defcon-3.net[/url]
>>>>
>>>>Thanks in advance!
>>>>
>>>>Caleb
>>>>
>>>>84 M1009
>>>>52 XM211
>>>>
>>>>
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