Re: [MV] Movement to ban private ownership of MVs gainsmomentum

All of the early M series vehicles till I believe 1955 were produced with
only on a single rear tail light and no turn signals. This was true of
commercial trucks also.
My M-211, a friends M-35 and another's M-211 that are in original conditi=
on
(read as not attacked by the civilian sector or zeroed by Uncle Sam) all
only have single tail lights and no wiring I the harness for the second.

Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: Military Vehicles Mailing List [mailto:mil-veh@mil-veh.org] On Beha=
lf
Of m35products
Sent: 10 September, 2004 17:15
To: Military Vehicles Mailing List
Subject: Re: [MV] Movement to ban private ownership of MVs gains momentum

Does my M35 have stop, turn, and "break" lights? Of course it does. I wou=
ld
not be able to register it in NY State if it did not. I have added
(manually-operated) back-up lights, and have all the gear ready to instal=
l,
to add a limit switch to the gear shift to make them operate automaticall=
y.
The state does not require them, but I added them for convenience and
safety. I have also added clearance/markers, and conspicuity tape, to mak=
e
the truck DOT compliant. It was not necessary, as it is registered as an
historical vehicle, but prudence dictates an occasional expense.

Are you aware of any M-series truck that is not equipped with stop, turn =
and
brake lights? I am not. You claim that "deuces" do not. (CCKW's do not.
M135/211/35 do.) I have never seen an M-series deuce, 5-ton, or ten-ton
that did not. Please explain your concerns more explicitly.

apb

----- Original Message -----=20
From: "Paul Farber" <farber@f-tech.net>
To: "m35products" <m35prod@optonline.net>
Cc: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 4:07 PM
Subject: Re: [MV] Movement to ban private ownership of MVs gains momentum

[color=blue]
> m35products wrote:
>[color=green]
> >David, old friend:
> >
> >I sometimes post off-topic messages, and sometimes respond to them.
> >
> >I always obey the licensing, insurance, traffic, and common sense rule=[/color][/color]
s,
and[color=blue][color=green]
> >always complain about thems who don't.
> >
> >Is there a place for me in your Utopia?
> >
> >apb
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----=20
> >From: <DDoyle9570@aol.com>
> >To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
> >Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 2:29 PM
> >Subject: [MV] Movement to ban private ownership of MVs gains momentum
> >
> >
> >
> >[color=darkred]
> >>Over the years through this list I have made many friends, and have
> >>
> >>[/color]
> >learned many things about the private ownership of military vehicles. =[/color][/color]
I[color=blue][color=green]
> >hope to remain in private contact with these friends over the coming[/color][/color]
years.[color=blue][color=green]
> >
> >[color=darkred]
> >>However, it seems that private ownership of military vehicles in the =[/color][/color][/color]
US
is[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> >>
> >>[/color]
> >doomed.
> >
> >[color=darkred]
> >>Many of these historic machines are larger and heavier than the avera=[/color][/color][/color]
ge[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> >>
> >>[/color]
> >passenger car, and an abundance of caution must be used in their[/color][/color]
operation[color=blue][color=green]
> >to insure the safety of the general public. The public, and of course[/color][/color]
their[color=blue][color=green]
> >elected officials, well remember the devastation caused by an unlawful
> >operation of a stolen M60 a few years ago, and only a few months ago t=[/color][/color]
he[color=blue][color=green]
> >tragic accident involving a pair of privately owned deuces garnered me=[/color][/color]
dia[color=blue][color=green]
> >attention.
> >
> >[color=darkred]
> >>All of this points to the importance of the MV collector's community[/color][/color][/color]
using[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> >>
> >>[/color]
> >great prudence and caution when operating our vehicles.
> >
> >[color=darkred]
> >>The first step in safe operation of these vehicles is reading AND
> >>
> >>[/color]
> >FOLLOWING THE INSTRUCTIONS on the dash placards, and in the comprehens=[/color][/color]
ive[color=blue][color=green]
> >operator's manuals. This is indeed what dooms the hobby. Based on th=[/color][/color]
e[color=blue][color=green]
> >recent postings on this list, there are many people in this hobby who =[/color][/color]
are[color=blue][color=green]
> >either too stupid to understand plain, simple brief instructions, or h=[/color][/color]
ave
a[color=blue][color=green]
> >"this doesn't apply to me" attitude. This will surely lead to sensele=[/color][/color]
ss[color=blue][color=green]
> >accidents, and the tragic loss of life or injury, and in turn the bann=[/color][/color]
ing
of[color=blue][color=green]
> >the "dangerous" vehicles from private ownership to protect the general
> >citizenry. The rest of us in the hobby will loose because of the[/color][/color]
stupidity[color=blue][color=green]
> >or arrogance of the few.
> >
> >[color=darkred]
> >>As evidence of this foretelling trend I point to the overwhelming num=[/color][/color][/color]
ber[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> >>
> >>[/color]
> >of off-topic, political posts on this list. Who here is so stupid tha=[/color][/color]
t
they[color=blue][color=green]
> >cannot understand the simple list rules, agreed to upon registering,[/color][/color]
which[color=blue][color=green]
> >include NO OFF TOPIC DISCUSSIONS? Or, are these posters so arrogant a=[/color][/color]
s
to[color=blue][color=green]
> >think they are above these rules, or so arrogant as to think that the[/color][/color]
rest[color=blue][color=green]
> >of us give a rat's a-- about who they intend to vote for, or why?
> >
> >[color=darkred]
> >>There is no other explanation, it must be stupidity, or arrogance.
> >>
> >>So, when the drive with the same "who give's a darn about the rules"
> >>
> >>[/color]
> >attitude and whiz through a stop sign (That traffic rule doesn't apply=[/color][/color]
to[color=blue][color=green]
> >ME, I'm special, and post and drive as I please) and into a school bus=[/color][/color]
,
or[color=blue][color=green]
> >park their tank on the lawn of the state capitol because they can (jus=[/color][/color]
t
like[color=blue][color=green]
> >they CAN post whatever suits their fancy to the list), we will all suf=[/color][/color]
fer[color=blue][color=green]
> >for it. Just like we all suffer through their political rantings.
> >
> >[color=darkred]
> >>Yes, I could hit delete, but why should I have to? Why should I (and
> >>
> >>[/color]
> >countless others) have to suffer and work because an ignorant, arrogan=[/color][/color]
t
few[color=blue][color=green]
> >believe themselves to be above the rules?
> >
> >[color=darkred]
> >>Kiss your MVs goodbye boys, the dopes among us will undo our hobby.
> >>
> >>Regards,
> >>David Doyle
> >>
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> >
> >[/color]
> Yeah but does your MV have the stop/turn/break/backup lights? If its a=[/color]
n[color=blue]
> ex military vehicle I would doubt it. Most MVs that are not specific
> types do (CUCVs etc). But dueces, humvess, jeeps etc mostly do not.
>
> You make stop at all the signs... but if the person behind you doesn't
> you're still at fault and are still gonna have your MV ownership[/color]
questioned.[color=blue]
>
> A light kit for an MV is easy to add and cost a few bucks.[/color]


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