Re: [MV] Deuce wheel hub question

book says 2 lbs of grease

Sean Nichols wrote:
[color=blue]
> Actually, it's a question of grease....
>
> Greetings esteemed list,
>
> I pulled a rear drum off my deuce to correct an apparently leaking wheel
> seal. I noticed the tell-tale drip of dark fluid in side the bottom of
> the wheel, and suspected I had lost a seal. So I pulled the wheels,
> axle, and spindle nuts and things were good and greasy as they should
> be. So I pulled the drum / hub assy off and was greeted with what
> seemed like at least half a quart of grease inside the hub, between the
> bearings. And upon removing the drum / hub, I found that the brake
> shoes were absolutely saturated with oil/grease (will be replacing
> those), and it was obvious that the grease had pushed out past the inner
> seal and got all over everything (major cleaning in progress). So it
> appears to me that this excessive amount of grease in the hub may have
> been the reason for my seal failure.
>
> Should there be THAT much grease inside the hub? I didn't see any
> reference in the manual for filling the hub with grease, just for
> properly packing the bearings. Was Soldier 1 a bit enthusiastic with
> the grease gun, or is this the way it's supposed to be?
>
> I changed a wheel cyl. on the other side of the same axle, and did not
> find the same condition there, which is what makes me suspect an overly
> enthusiastic lubrication program.
>
> So what's the right way to do things? Liberally pack the bearings, or
> fill the hub like grease is free?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Sean Nichols
> '42 IHC FFN-3 Crash Truck
> '71 AM General M35A2
>
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Pardon my ig'nance, but is that 2lbs spec for the
front or rear spec? Since this is a fullfloat axle,
isn't the cosmolene itself used for the bearing
lubrication? If so, there is all the cosmolene in the
diff to serve as the reservoir, which is why you see
more than just a "hub's worth" (which I believe is an
avoirdupois measurement) of grease on your brake
shoes...

Now, when assembling, standard FF axle practice is to
jack the axle back and forth in a seesaw fashion to
fill the hubs with grease before topping off the fill
hole. I always put some assembly grease on the
bearings, however, since I consider it cheap insurance
until I've gone around enough corners to make sure the
hubs are right greasy enough.

Cheers
Bob Ternes
1968 M35A2, 2 fullfloating axles
1994 Grand Cherokee, Dana 60 / 14 bolt FF hybrid axle
1978 Chevy K25, just finished pulling FF 14b axle

--- Patrick J JANKOWIAK <patrick.jankowiak@st.com>
wrote:[color=blue]
> book says 2 lbs of grease
>
> Sean Nichols wrote:
> [color=green]
> > Actually, it's a question of grease....
> >
> > Greetings esteemed list,
> >
> > I pulled a rear drum off my deuce to correct an[/color]
> apparently leaking wheel[color=green]
> > seal. I noticed the tell-tale drip of dark fluid[/color]
> in side the bottom of[color=green]
> > the wheel, and suspected I had lost a seal. So I[/color]
> pulled the wheels,[color=green]
> > axle, and spindle nuts and things were good and[/color]
> greasy as they should[color=green]
> > be. So I pulled the drum / hub assy off and was[/color]
> greeted with what[color=green]
> > seemed like at least half a quart of grease inside[/color]
> the hub, between the[color=green]
> > bearings. And upon removing the drum / hub, I[/color]
> found that the brake[color=green]
> > shoes were absolutely saturated with oil/grease[/color]
> (will be replacing[color=green]
> > those), and it was obvious that the grease had[/color]
> pushed out past the inner[color=green]
> > seal and got all over everything (major cleaning[/color]
> in progress). So it[color=green]
> > appears to me that this excessive amount of grease[/color]
> in the hub may have[color=green]
> > been the reason for my seal failure.
> >
> > Should there be THAT much grease inside the hub? [/color]
> I didn't see any[color=green]
> > reference in the manual for filling the hub with[/color]
> grease, just for[color=green]
> > properly packing the bearings. Was Soldier 1 a[/color]
> bit enthusiastic with[color=green]
> > the grease gun, or is this the way it's supposed[/color]
> to be?[color=green]
> >
> > I changed a wheel cyl. on the other side of the[/color]
> same axle, and did not[color=green]
> > find the same condition there, which is what makes[/color]
> me suspect an overly[color=green]
> > enthusiastic lubrication program.
> >
> > So what's the right way to do things? Liberally[/color]
> pack the bearings, or[color=green]
> > fill the hub like grease is free?
> >
> > Thanks in advance,
> >
> > Sean Nichols
> > '42 IHC FFN-3 Crash Truck
> > '71 AM General M35A2
> >
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> > [/color]
>
> --
> Patrick Jankowiak
> Field Application Engineer III
> ST Microelectronics
> 1310 Electronics Drive
> M/S 3764
> Carrollton, TX 75006
> Desk: 972-466-8763
> Fax: 972-466-7170
> Mobile: 214-763-4764
>
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Well according to what I read, 2 lbs of axle grease goes in the rear
hub. Of course the bearings get packed with part of this. The axles are
not supposed to get into the grease, they are in the diff oil. here's a
drawing at the bottom of the page which shows this;

[url]http://208.190.133.201/axle/m35_axle_seals.html[/url]

I will say it is what I recall from themanual on greasing the bearings.

Robert Ternes wrote:
[color=blue]
> Pardon my ig'nance, but is that 2lbs spec for the
> front or rear spec? Since this is a fullfloat axle,
> isn't the cosmolene itself used for the bearing
> lubrication? If so, there is all the cosmolene in the
> diff to serve as the reservoir, which is why you see
> more than just a "hub's worth" (which I believe is an
> avoirdupois measurement) of grease on your brake
> shoes...
>
> Now, when assembling, standard FF axle practice is to
> jack the axle back and forth in a seesaw fashion to
> fill the hubs with grease before topping off the fill
> hole. I always put some assembly grease on the
> bearings, however, since I consider it cheap insurance
> until I've gone around enough corners to make sure the
> hubs are right greasy enough.
>
> Cheers
> Bob Ternes
> 1968 M35A2, 2 fullfloating axles
> 1994 Grand Cherokee, Dana 60 / 14 bolt FF hybrid axle
> 1978 Chevy K25, just finished pulling FF 14b axle
>
> --- Patrick J JANKOWIAK <patrick.jankowiak@st.com>
> wrote:
> [color=green]
>>book says 2 lbs of grease
>>
>>Sean Nichols wrote:
>>
>>[color=darkred]
>>>Actually, it's a question of grease....
>>>
>>>Greetings esteemed list,
>>>
>>>I pulled a rear drum off my deuce to correct an[/color]
>>
>>apparently leaking wheel
>>[color=darkred]
>>>seal. I noticed the tell-tale drip of dark fluid[/color]
>>
>>in side the bottom of
>>[color=darkred]
>>>the wheel, and suspected I had lost a seal. So I[/color]
>>
>>pulled the wheels,
>>[color=darkred]
>>>axle, and spindle nuts and things were good and[/color]
>>
>>greasy as they should
>>[color=darkred]
>>>be. So I pulled the drum / hub assy off and was[/color]
>>
>>greeted with what
>>[color=darkred]
>>>seemed like at least half a quart of grease inside[/color]
>>
>>the hub, between the
>>[color=darkred]
>>>bearings. And upon removing the drum / hub, I[/color]
>>
>>found that the brake
>>[color=darkred]
>>>shoes were absolutely saturated with oil/grease[/color]
>>
>>(will be replacing
>>[color=darkred]
>>>those), and it was obvious that the grease had[/color]
>>
>>pushed out past the inner
>>[color=darkred]
>>>seal and got all over everything (major cleaning[/color]
>>
>>in progress). So it
>>[color=darkred]
>>>appears to me that this excessive amount of grease[/color]
>>
>>in the hub may have
>>[color=darkred]
>>>been the reason for my seal failure.
>>>
>>>Should there be THAT much grease inside the hub? [/color]
>>
>>I didn't see any
>>[color=darkred]
>>>reference in the manual for filling the hub with[/color]
>>
>>grease, just for
>>[color=darkred]
>>>properly packing the bearings. Was Soldier 1 a[/color]
>>
>>bit enthusiastic with
>>[color=darkred]
>>>the grease gun, or is this the way it's supposed[/color]
>>
>>to be?
>>[color=darkred]
>>>I changed a wheel cyl. on the other side of the[/color]
>>
>>same axle, and did not
>>[color=darkred]
>>>find the same condition there, which is what makes[/color]
>>
>>me suspect an overly
>>[color=darkred]
>>>enthusiastic lubrication program.
>>>
>>>So what's the right way to do things? Liberally[/color]
>>
>>pack the bearings, or
>>[color=darkred]
>>>fill the hub like grease is free?
>>>
>>>Thanks in advance,
>>>
>>>Sean Nichols
>>>'42 IHC FFN-3 Crash Truck
>>>'71 AM General M35A2
>>>
>>>===Mil-Veh is a member-supported mailing list===
>>>To unsubscribe, send e-mail to:[/color]
>>
>><mil-veh-off@mil-veh.org>
>>[color=darkred]
>>>To switch to the DIGEST mode, send e-mail to[/color]
>>
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>>[color=darkred]
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>>>[/color]
>>--
>>Patrick Jankowiak
>>Field Application Engineer III
>>ST Microelectronics
>>1310 Electronics Drive
>>M/S 3764
>>Carrollton, TX 75006
>>Desk: 972-466-8763
>>Fax: 972-466-7170
>>Mobile: 214-763-4764
>>
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>
> [/color]

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Patrick Jankowiak
Field Application Engineer III
ST Microelectronics
1310 Electronics Drive
M/S 3764
Carrollton, TX 75006
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Fax: 972-466-7170
Mobile: 214-763-4764

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