[MV] unsafe army trucks

For the past three days The Detroit News has run a front page, headline expose' on unsafe army trucks. I think that these articles will be of immense interest to our group. The address below will take you to all three days stories. I'll bet these will juice up the e-mail some.

[url]http://www.detnews.com/specialreports/2004/military/[/url]

Dave McConnell

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Dave,
Just briefly scanned the page you listed and from that gleaned one
glaring recurring theme - LACK OF DRIVER TRAINING! For instance: the
driver with only an hour of driving experience and assigned to drive a 12
ton armored vehicle. Person giving that order should be disciplined for
incompetence !

As most on this list can attest to; these truck are safe if driven
properly, within their design perameters, BUT, it takes practice and some
instruction to do it right, ALONG WITH COMMON SENSE.

Sorry guys, but I can't fault the machine when the operator is IGNORANT.
GRRRR !!!


Frank Cox
USAF, 'Nam 1966
MVPA 14530
'45 GMC 353 DUKW
'66 M35A2 w/w


On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 22:13:26 -0400 [email]L51940@aol.com[/email] writes:[color=blue]
> For the past three days The Detroit News has run a front page,
> headline expose' on unsafe army trucks. I think that these articles
> will be of immense interest to our group. The address below will
> take you to all three days stories. I'll bet these will juice up
> the e-mail some.
>
> [url]http://www.detnews.com/specialreports/2004/military/[/url]
>
> Dave McConnell
>
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As a collector hobbyist, I have no training available. Anyone know of any kind of deuce/5t training that a civillian can get into? Even a manual to read would be a good start. I started this thread a few months back but it died out before we could locate any training materials.
It would also be interesting to get a copy of the GAO report that detailed the safety problems on these old trucks. Jim



On Tue, Jul 13, 2004 at 9:35pm [email]grntrks@juno.com[/email] wrote:[color=blue]
> Dave,
> Just briefly scanned the page you listed and from that gleaned one
> glaring recurring theme - LACK OF DRIVER TRAINING! For instance: the
> driver with only an hour of driving experience and assigned to drive a 12
> ton armored vehicle. Person giving that order should be disciplined for
> incompetence !
>
> As most on this list can attest to; these truck are safe if driven
> properly, within their design perameters, BUT, it takes practice and some
> instruction to do it right, ALONG WITH COMMON SENSE.
>
> Sorry guys, but I can't fault the machine when the operator is IGNORANT.
> GRRRR !!!
>
>
> Frank Cox
> USAF, 'Nam 1966
> MVPA 14530
> '45 GMC 353 DUKW
> '66 M35A2 w/w
>
>
> On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 22:13:26 -0400 [email]L51940@aol.com[/email] writes:[color=green]
> > For the past three days The Detroit News has run a front page,
> > headline expose' on unsafe army trucks. I think that these articles
> > will be of immense interest to our group. The address below will
> > take you to all three days stories. I'll bet these will juice up
> > the e-mail some.
> >
> > [url]http://www.detnews.com/specialreports/2004/military/[/url]
> >
> > Dave McConnell
> >
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Hi Jim,
Where are you located? If you live near North Texas I'll be happy to
assist you with hands on practice, etc.

Frank Cox
USAF, 'Nam 1966
MVPA 14530
'45 GMC 353 DUKW
'66 M35A2 w/w


On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 23:28:13 -0700 w7ls <w7ls@blarg.net> writes:[color=blue]
> As a collector hobbyist, I have no training available. Anyone know of
> any kind of deuce/5t training that a civillian can get into? Even a
> manual to read would be a good start. I started this thread a few
> months back but it died out before we could locate any training
> materials.
> It would also be interesting to get a copy of the GAO report that
> detailed the safety problems on these old trucks. Jim
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 13, 2004 at 9:35pm [email]grntrks@juno.com[/email] wrote:[color=green]
> > Dave,
> > Just briefly scanned the page you listed and from that gleaned one
> > glaring recurring theme - LACK OF DRIVER TRAINING! For instance: [/color]
> the[color=green]
> > driver with only an hour of driving experience and assigned to [/color]
> drive a 12[color=green]
> > ton armored vehicle. Person giving that order should be [/color]
> disciplined for[color=green]
> > incompetence !
> >
> > As most on this list can attest to; these truck are safe if driven
> > properly, within their design perameters, BUT, it takes practice [/color]
> and some[color=green]
> > instruction to do it right, ALONG WITH COMMON SENSE.
> >
> > Sorry guys, but I can't fault the machine when the operator is [/color]
> IGNORANT. [color=green]
> > GRRRR !!!
> >
> >
> > Frank Cox
> > USAF, 'Nam 1966
> > MVPA 14530
> > '45 GMC 353 DUKW
> > '66 M35A2 w/w
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 22:13:26 -0400 [email]L51940@aol.com[/email] writes:[color=darkred]
> > > For the past three days The Detroit News has run a front page,
> > > headline expose' on unsafe army trucks. I think that these [/color][/color]
> articles [color=green][color=darkred]
> > > will be of immense interest to our group. The address below [/color][/color]
> will [color=green][color=darkred]
> > > take you to all three days stories. I'll bet these will juice [/color][/color]
> up [color=green][color=darkred]
> > > the e-mail some.
> > >
> > > [url]http://www.detnews.com/specialreports/2004/military/[/url]
> > >
> > > Dave McConnell
> > >
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Jim,

Just had another thought. You can check with your local drivers license
testing station. They should have a free handbook that will give you good
info about driving big trucks. Semi or straight truck the principles are
going to be the same for safe operation of the vehicle.

In Texas the book is titled TEXAS COMMERCIAL MOTOR VEHICLE DRIVERS
HANDBOOK and here's the best part--- It's FREE for the asking.from our
Dep't of Public Safety. I'm sure you state will have something similar.
The handbook is used for folks who are preparing for their class A CDL.

Good luck,

Frank Cox
USAF, 'Nam 1966
MVPA 14530
'45 GMC 353 DUKW
'66 M35A2 w/w

On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 23:28:13 -0700 w7ls <w7ls@blarg.net> writes:[color=blue]
> As a collector hobbyist, I have no training available. Anyone know of
> any kind of deuce/5t training that a civillian can get into? Even a
> manual to read would be a good start. I started this thread a few
> months back but it died out before we could locate any training
> materials.
> It would also be interesting to get a copy of the GAO report that
> detailed the safety problems on these old trucks. Jim
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 13, 2004 at 9:35pm [email]grntrks@juno.com[/email] wrote:[color=green]
> > Dave,
> > Just briefly scanned the page you listed and from that gleaned one
> > glaring recurring theme - LACK OF DRIVER TRAINING! For instance: [/color]
> the[color=green]
> > driver with only an hour of driving experience and assigned to [/color]
> drive a 12[color=green]
> > ton armored vehicle. Person giving that order should be [/color]
> disciplined for[color=green]
> > incompetence !
> >
> > As most on this list can attest to; these truck are safe if driven
> > properly, within their design perameters, BUT, it takes practice [/color]
> and some[color=green]
> > instruction to do it right, ALONG WITH COMMON SENSE.
> >
> > Sorry guys, but I can't fault the machine when the operator is [/color]
> IGNORANT. [color=green]
> > GRRRR !!!
> >
> >
> > Frank Cox
> > USAF, 'Nam 1966
> > MVPA 14530
> > '45 GMC 353 DUKW
> > '66 M35A2 w/w
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 22:13:26 -0400 [email]L51940@aol.com[/email] writes:[color=darkred]
> > > For the past three days The Detroit News has run a front page,
> > > headline expose' on unsafe army trucks. I think that these [/color][/color]
> articles [color=green][color=darkred]
> > > will be of immense interest to our group. The address below [/color][/color]
> will [color=green][color=darkred]
> > > take you to all three days stories. I'll bet these will juice [/color][/color]
> up [color=green][color=darkred]
> > > the e-mail some.
> > >
> > > [url]http://www.detnews.com/specialreports/2004/military/[/url]
> > >
> > > Dave McConnell
> > >
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There are more than three stories, 11 so far, and they are interesting in
the extreme ! In particular, from one of them, "The Army has 10,000 2.5-ton
trucks and 3,600 5-ton trucks it considers 'overaged,' Maj. Gen. Gerald
Minetti...."

Thanks Dave

Herr Bookmonger
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> For the past three days The Detroit News has run a front page, headline[/color]
expose' on unsafe army trucks. I think that these articles will be of
immense interest to our group. The address below will take you to all three
days stories. I'll bet these will juice up the e-mail some.[color=blue]
>
> [url]http://www.detnews.com/specialreports/2004/military/[/url]
>
> Dave McConnell[/color]



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In a message dated 14/07/04 07:29:35 GMT Daylight Time, [email]w7ls@blarg.net[/email] writes:

<< Anyone know of any kind of deuce/5t training that a civillian can get
into? Even a manual to read would be a good start. >>


Hello Jim,

One of the most useful manuals is FM21-305 - "Manual for the Wheeled Vehicle
Driver". It is easily available and I think Portrayal Press offers copies for
sale. There is a similar FM for "Tracked Vehicles".

Another useful one, but this one is vehicle-specific, is TC21-305-4 -
"Training Program for the High Mobility Multipurpose Wheeled Vehicle".

I'll bet that most HMMWV drivers in the Military have never even heard of it !

Kind regards....
ken

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