Bravo2zerO are a kiddie clan

Just though I'd give you a heads up on another bad admin.

B²Z Houd Dog who has admin rights on the Brav2zero Clan DCX server can't
handle getting beat, especially when he's getting beat by people abiding by
the server rules.

I was on there today, playing quite happily... some one got kicked in a
previous game for base raping... Server rules are flashed up on screen like
in most servers.

The one that caught my attention was 'Taking out a scud or sam in base is
ok, but then you must leave'

I had a friend playing on the other side, and he likes the Scud and I knew
it was him when we started getting hit hard by it. I grabbed a tank, skirted
around the back of their base and took a few shots at
the scud, he made a run for it.. and rather than drive through the bas I
went around the outskirts of it and caught and killed the scud... nothing
was said.

A few mins later I'm having to do the same thing, but this time as I
approach the base I'm spotted and attacked by a Hind and a Shilka... I
dispatched both quite easily as I'm very handy in a tank, especially against
Hinds, I take out the scud and make my way out of the base.... Now the guy
in the hind is this Hound Dog plonker, and he starts screaming base camping,
and no one allowed in the base... I point out that the server rules allow me
to enter to destroy the scud/sam, and do they seriously expect people not to
return fire when fired upon. I also pointed out that it was them who
attacked first and I rightly defended myself.

Hound Dog got into a little bit of a tizzy over being called on this, and
started saying that it was his rules and it wasn't allowed. Despite after
him saying that.. up on the screen came the text message saying it was ok to
take out scud/sam in the base.... which made a few of us laugh. I was polite
the whole time, and told him not to accuse me of unfair play when I was
abiding by the SERVER rules as laid out by the clan, and it was unfair of
him to abuse his position as admin.

I was promptly kicked... my friend on their team, told him he was wrong to
kick me, and that he felt he was abusing his admin position.. he was
promptly kicked as well.

The moral of this little story... B²Z Hound Dog is a ****tard with no idea
how to admin and shouldn't be allowed to be one. I'd hope that the rest of
the clan aren't like this, it would be shame for the whole clan to get
labelled in this way over one kiddie who can't handle the fact he was
getting his ass handed to him by me in a tank. He seems to think that the
rules on the server that were agreed upon by the entire clan, don't apply
and he can change them to suit... shame he didn't (or rather couldn't)
change the admin messages that are auto displayed to inform people of the
rules.

I hope that there are others from the clan who read/lurk here.. you need to
know when your admins are abusing their position.

Shame, as up to that point, I really was kicking some ass.

H

"Heckler ²°°³" <spam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:2lslk0Fg7d2hU1@uni-berlin.de...
> Just though I'd give you a heads up...

Their forums are at http://www.bravo2zero.com/forum/

Lorian.

"Heckler ²°°³" <spam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:2lslk0Fg7d2hU1@uni-berlin.de...
> Just though I'd give you a heads up on another bad admin.
>
> B²Z Houd Dog who has admin rights on the Brav2zero Clan DCX server can't
> handle getting beat, especially when he's getting beat by people abiding
by
> the server rules.
>
> I was on there today, playing quite happily... some one got kicked in a
> previous game for base raping... Server rules are flashed up on screen
like
> in most servers.
>
> The one that caught my attention was 'Taking out a scud or sam in base is
> ok, but then you must leave'
>
> I had a friend playing on the other side, and he likes the Scud and I knew
> it was him when we started getting hit hard by it. I grabbed a tank,
skirted
> around the back of their base and took a few shots at
> the scud, he made a run for it.. and rather than drive through the bas I
> went around the outskirts of it and caught and killed the scud... nothing
> was said.
>
> A few mins later I'm having to do the same thing, but this time as I
> approach the base I'm spotted and attacked by a Hind and a Shilka... I
> dispatched both quite easily as I'm very handy in a tank, especially
against
> Hinds, I take out the scud and make my way out of the base.... Now the guy
> in the hind is this Hound Dog plonker, and he starts screaming base
camping,
> and no one allowed in the base... I point out that the server rules allow
me
> to enter to destroy the scud/sam, and do they seriously expect people not
to
> return fire when fired upon. I also pointed out that it was them who
> attacked first and I rightly defended myself.
>
> Hound Dog got into a little bit of a tizzy over being called on this, and
> started saying that it was his rules and it wasn't allowed. Despite after
> him saying that.. up on the screen came the text message saying it was ok
to
> take out scud/sam in the base.... which made a few of us laugh. I was
polite
> the whole time, and told him not to accuse me of unfair play when I was
> abiding by the SERVER rules as laid out by the clan, and it was unfair of
> him to abuse his position as admin.
>
> I was promptly kicked... my friend on their team, told him he was wrong to
> kick me, and that he felt he was abusing his admin position.. he was
> promptly kicked as well.
>
> The moral of this little story... B²Z Hound Dog is a ****tard with no idea
> how to admin and shouldn't be allowed to be one. I'd hope that the rest of
> the clan aren't like this, it would be shame for the whole clan to get
> labelled in this way over one kiddie who can't handle the fact he was
> getting his ass handed to him by me in a tank. He seems to think that the
> rules on the server that were agreed upon by the entire clan, don't apply
> and he can change them to suit... shame he didn't (or rather couldn't)
> change the admin messages that are auto displayed to inform people of the
> rules.
>
> I hope that there are others from the clan who read/lurk here.. you need
to
> know when your admins are abusing their position.
>
> Shame, as up to that point, I really was kicking some ass.
>
> H

I understand you and where you coming from, however I feel that some should
be
careful what they say about someones admining abilities on their own server
during
the game. Just saying those words about them abusing their "admin rights"
will usually
result in a kick from the game, whether justified or not. The fact you
began the "discussion",
to them it felt like an "arguement".

Hooligan

On Sat, 17 Jul 2004 1641 GMT, "Hooligan" <a.tamblynREMOVE@mchsi.com>
wrote:

> Just saying those words about them abusing their "admin rights"
>will usually result in a kick from the game, whether justified or not. The fact you
>began the "discussion", to them it felt like an "arguement".

What you say is very true. In this situation one needs to determine which
is more important.... continued play or making a point. We often get
challenged on minor infractions to our rules on the Iron Rangers server.
We often get people who have invested NOTHING come in and tell us what our
rules should be. Right or wrong the admin really has the last word and as
a guest you have only to decide if you will abide by them or leave. Many
times people are kicked just because they insist on arguing about a minor
point until it becomes just too annoying. Of course, it is certainly
within everyone's right to post about the alleged abuse. I'm not saying
that this is the case here but frequently we have people come back with
stories that don't even come close to the truth.

=IR= Ventana
Iron Ranger Battalion
BattleField 1942
** Recruits wanted **
www.ironrangers.net

Ventana wrote:
:: On Sat, 17 Jul 2004 1641 GMT, "Hooligan"
:: <a.tamblynREMOVE@mchsi.com> wrote:
::
::: Just saying those words about them abusing their "admin rights"
::: will usually result in a kick from the game, whether justified or
::: not. The fact you began the "discussion", to them it felt like an
::: "arguement".
::
:: What you say is very true. In this situation one needs to determine
:: which is more important.... continued play or making a point. We
:: often get challenged on minor infractions to our rules on the Iron
:: Rangers server. We often get people who have invested NOTHING come
:: in and tell us what our rules should be. Right or wrong the admin
:: really has the last word and as a guest you have only to decide if
:: you will abide by them or leave. Many times people are kicked just
:: because they insist on arguing about a minor point until it becomes
:: just too annoying. Of course, it is certainly within everyone's
:: right to post about the alleged abuse. I'm not saying that this is
:: the case here but frequently we have people come back with stories
:: that don't even come close to the truth.

I think you misunderstand my point:

I went into a fixed base destroyed the scud and left immediately... the only
time I destroyed anything, was when I was fired upon. The server rules state
that you CAN enter a base and destroy the Scud or the Sam, so lang as you
leave right after. I even informed my team mates that I was heading on a
scud hunt (so they wouldn't think I was going to base rape) I WAS following
the rules to the letter, and got called a base camper by the admin. I
explained what I did, but that was ignored because the admin was having a a
girly hissy fit over being killed by me.. He was in the Hind, I was in the
tank... Now I never actually entered the base... the closest I came was the
opposite side of the runway. When I was attacked, I was well outside the
base, but heading towards it. When I took out the scud, I never even
paused.. I just did a drive by and kept going.

How I can then be accused of base camping is beyond me... the admin was well
out of order.

Now you may not 'actually' be saying I not being truthful.. but you are
insiuating it... and seeing as you don't know me, I'll let it slide. But
anyone who has played with/agasint me regulary knows I don't base camp, and
I don't like those that do.

I've offered up my side of it to them, and the admins are trying to deny
it.. but one of the more reasonable ones is going to check the logs and will
see exactly what I said.

H

Hooligan wrote:
:: I understand you and where you coming from, however I feel that
:: some should be
:: careful what they say about someones admining abilities on their own
:: server during
:: the game. Just saying those words about them abusing their "admin
:: rights" will usually
:: result in a kick from the game, whether justified or not. The fact
:: you began the "discussion",
:: to them it felt like an "arguement".

I never used the words 'abusing admin rights' although my friend did after I
was kicked for no good reason.

I was polite through the entire discussion.. although it seems the admin was
too busy screaming 'rape' to actually read what I said... he was more
concerned with telling me that it was HIS rules and he was an admin, and
could kick me. That's not good admining.. a good admin will explain the
rules and why they feel you have broken them, a good admin will listen to a
polite yet firmly stated opinion... even if he disagrees with it. A good
admin doesn't go around stamping his feet and throwing his toys out of his
pram because he's not winning.

Basically, the admin, ignored the rules set down by the clan, and chose to
enforce some of his own... why.. who knows, maybe he was having a bad hair
day.

He does claim that he scored most points that round, and had fun after we
were kicked.. well of course he did.. he kicked two of the better players on
the server. Probably the only way he could get to the top of the scoreboard.



H

"Heckler ²°°³" <spam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:2ltmtkFgkeb9U1@uni-berlin.de...
> Hooligan wrote:
> :: I understand you and where you coming from, however I feel that
> :: some should be
> :: careful what they say about someones admining abilities on their own
> :: server during
> :: the game. Just saying those words about them abusing their "admin
> :: rights" will usually
> :: result in a kick from the game, whether justified or not. The fact
> :: you began the "discussion",
> :: to them it felt like an "arguement".
>
> I never used the words 'abusing admin rights' although my friend did after
I
> was kicked for no good reason.
>
> I was polite through the entire discussion.. although it seems the admin
was
> too busy screaming 'rape' to actually read what I said... he was more
> concerned with telling me that it was HIS rules and he was an admin, and
> could kick me. That's not good admining.. a good admin will explain the
> rules and why they feel you have broken them, a good admin will listen to
a
> polite yet firmly stated opinion... even if he disagrees with it. A good
> admin doesn't go around stamping his feet and throwing his toys out of his
> pram because he's not winning.
>
> Basically, the admin, ignored the rules set down by the clan, and chose to
> enforce some of his own... why.. who knows, maybe he was having a bad hair
> day.
>
> He does claim that he scored most points that round, and had fun after we
> were kicked.. well of course he did.. he kicked two of the better players
on
> the server. Probably the only way he could get to the top of the
scoreboard.
>
>
>
> H
>
>
"and told him not to accuse me of unfair play when I was
abiding by the SERVER rules as laid out by the clan, and it was unfair of
him to abuse his position as admin."
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
This is why I thought you said it to him.
I also think it's hard for admin to admit when he is wrong...too! Rather
then continue the "discussion"
it's sometimes better just to suck it up and move and continue to play by
what you feel is right.
If once again you...
attempt to take out active arty in the UCB and get kicked, I would then take
it to their forums instead
of attempting to explain your side in game chat. I know a lot of admins
applaud people who do that
in the AGB forums. The Core will also look at the log and discuss anything
that needs to be discussed.

Hooligan