Go Back   Trackpads Community > General Discussions > Chit-Chat

Chit-Chat Non-debate discussions - uncontroversial topics not covered in other forums , light-hearted, heartwarming, risque, weird news, fun things etc.

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
Old 09-28-2006, 17:01   #1 (permalink)
Monkey Mouse
 
Woodmonkey's Avatar
My Awards Rack
Gold Staff Service Medal Gold Reputation Medal Bronze Referrals Medal Bronze Magazine Medal Silver Gallery Medal Gold Donations Award Silver Donations Award 2 Blue Star 
Total Awards: 12
My Mood
My Mood:
Status
Woodmonkey is offline
Post Count
58,226
My Photos
My Photos: 108
Staff Title
Trackpads XO
Member Flags
United States us connecticut
My Referrals
My Referrals: 15
Personal Guestbook
Reputation +/-
Woodmonkey has a reputation beyond reputeWoodmonkey has a reputation beyond reputeWoodmonkey has a reputation beyond reputeWoodmonkey has a reputation beyond reputeWoodmonkey has a reputation beyond reputeWoodmonkey has a reputation beyond reputeWoodmonkey has a reputation beyond reputeWoodmonkey has a reputation beyond reputeWoodmonkey has a reputation beyond reputeWoodmonkey has a reputation beyond reputeWoodmonkey has a reputation beyond repute
Petz
Other Swag
T-Bucks: 88,711.18
Bank: 1,341,109.03
Total T-Bucks: 1,429,820.21
     
     
     

 
Default Someone to watch over me - the boss

The boss is watching your every click...


IT IS one of the biggest corporate scandals of the year: Hewlett-Packard chairman Patricia Dunn allegedly enlisted private investigators to spy on members of the HP board and several journalists to figure out who was leaking boardroom secrets. The investigators are said to have tricked reps at phone company AT&T into handing over the call records of their targets. Dunn has now resigned and California's Attorney General is considering bringing criminal charges.

While HP's top brass has been grabbing headlines, hundreds of corporations are routinely spying on their employees without attracting media attention. Sometimes companies keep tabs on employees by hiding cameras in lavatories, or tracking company cars using hidden GPS devices. Most often, however, corporate surveillance consists of logging everything employees do on their computers, from instant messaging, to emailing to browsing the web. Such wholesale monitoring is commonplace at firm such as household products maker Procter & Gamble, Bank of America, net giants Yahoo and Google, and healthcare provider Kaiser Permanente. And people are seldom told they are being watched.

Meanwhile, an increasingly mobile workforce is blurring the line between work and private time: log into work computers from home and employers can track what blogs you create, sign into or post to, or what you write on newsgroups, even outside work hours. Suddenly, online private lives are becoming company business.

Kaiser spokesman Matthew Schiffgens thinks workplace internet monitoring by IT departments is fair enough. "If something you're doing [on your work PC] isn't related to work, you shouldn't do it," he says. Yahoo's employee handbook echoes this: "Management, or a designee, may review or monitor email messages and traffic, review records of telephone usage, and inspect the contents of file cabinets, disk drives, desks, offices, etc (even if locked)."

According to Jeremy Gruber, legal director of the National Workrights Institute based in Princeton, New Jersey, US companies can legally watch everything employees do - and only two states require employers to tell workers they are under surveillance. Yet there are laws that prevent employers from listening to employees' personal phone calls made at work. So why no such protection for employees who might send a personal email or check an online auction's status during their lunch break?

"Legislatures are slow to address changes in technologies," Gruber says. "There's simply been no federal response to the problem of computer monitoring."

In this regulatory vacuum, a sizable industry has sprung up to offer software that monitors employees. One leader in the field, Wavecrest Computing of Melbourne, Florida, sells a product called Cyfin that tracks everything employees do online. Clients include oil giant ExxonMobil, UK telecoms firm BT and the US Department of Justice. Wavecrest spokesman Dennis McCabe says Procter & Gamble is also one of its largest customers. "They watch all 100,000 of their employees around the world with our products," McCabe says. Wavecrest's product could also help P&G managers prepare regular reports on what kinds of websites employees are visiting, and can also provide detailed analyses of unproductive workers.

Sandstorm Enterprises of Malden, Massachusetts, markets a sophisticated monitor called Net Intercept that watches all network traffic, not just web usage. However, Sandstorm chief James Van Bokkelen says it's impossible for IT managers to watch everything; instead, they focus on gathering evidence on the few individuals who are already a problem, sometimes resulting in firings. "Employers have their lists of suspects," he says.

Companies use more devious means than just software, though, as Clifton Swigert, a former employee of West Virgina power company Allegheny Electric, knows to his cost. He was fired after anonymously posting some views about the company in a Yahoo discussion forum. "It was the most horrific thing I ever experienced," recalls Swigert. "I had perfect attendance for 13 years at the plant."

Anonymous no more

Swigert had vented his frustration about the company's retirement programme, and admits he "used some poor language" to complain about a diversity workshop. What he said may have offended some, but he wrote it anonymously, used his own computer and wrote long after work hours. The board where he posted was specifically for discussions of Allegheny Electric, and many of the hundreds of comments left by other people were also derogatory and critical.

Nevertheless, Allegheny decided to track down the anonymous poster and sue them. The lawsuit meant Allegheny could subpoena Yahoo and obtain Swigert's real name, but once they had it they dropped the lawsuit and fired him. In a counter-suit filed last year, Swigert's attorneys claimed this action was an abuse of legal process, but there has been no ruling yet.

At issue here is a special kind of US subpoena for "subscriber information" that opens the door for cases like Swigert's. It requires online service providers to supply lawyers with a subscriber's real name and address. The catch is that neither the lawyers nor the service provider are required to notify the subscriber that this information has been revealed. So some may be fired without ever knowing why, says Paul Levy, an attorney with civil liberties group Public Citizen. Others may know why, says Levy, but since they never get representation their cases go unreported.

Of course, another place where companies can track employees' activities outside the office is on blogs, and it is becoming more common for firms to issue a "blog policy" to employees, detailing what dirty washing the company doesn't want aired. Bank of America spokeswoman Lisa Kopp says personal blogs that breach company policy can lead to a person being fired.

Blogging policies have become widespread in the wake of several high-profile cases in Silicon Valley in which bloggers lost their jobs. Among those was Joyce Park, fired by social networking site Friendster two years ago. Park is the author of a popular blog called Troutgirl, which covers everything from high-tech issues to Park's cat. She marvels at the weirdness of the experience. "I was taken to a room, told it was a termination meeting, and told the reason was blogging," she recalls. "I asked what they objected to and they wouldn't tell me. I really just have no idea what I might have said."
"My sacking was the most horrific thing. I had perfect attendance at the plant for 13 years"

Another blogger fired around the same time was Mark Jen, who lost his job at Google. He's still not sure what he said, though the company did ask him to take two Google-related posts off his blog shortly before his firing. He took the posts down right away, but apparently that wasn't enough.

Not that Google - which runs the blog engine Blogspot - is against blogging. Karen Wickre, editor of Google's corporate blog, says the firm likes to hire bloggers because it's "nice to know that they can put a couple of sentences together". So does does Google makes a regular habit of reading people's blogs before hiring them? "We're always looking for good people with talent," Wickre says. "I'm not willing to make a blanket statement that blogs don't matter."

Others think blogs are beginning to matter a whole lot. David Nachman of background-screening company HireRight based in Irvine, California, agrees with Wickre that a job-seeker's blog might affect their chances of getting hired. Traditionally, HireRight has only provided criminal record checks and checks on qualifications and experience, but Nachman says interest in online activity is growing. "We don't offer this service yet, but it's absolutely already happening. Employers are going to blogs and social networking sites when hiring."

In effect this means that online monitoring may be starting before employees even sign their contracts. While some will find this shocking, many tech workers express a kind of fatalism. "There are always ways to find out what individuals are doing, and sometimes that results in people getting fired," says IT administrator John Gilbert. "Everywhere I've worked, there's never been any privacy."
Surveillance culture on the march

The US may be the Wild West of workplace monitoring, but the UK and Australia aren't far behind. Carsten Sorensen, an expert on high-tech workplaces at the London School of Economics, warned recently that employee surveillance is on the rise. Bosses are using CCTV, network monitoring, GPS bracelets and even hidden microphones.

The UK's Data Protection Act could afford some protections to workers, as it limits the disclosure of stored data such as records of websites employees are visiting. However, UK watchdog group Privacy International says that so far "the act has been ineffective". Bloggers are at risk, too: last year, Joe Gordon was sacked from bookshop Waterstone's after 11 years there, for things he posted on his satirical blog.

In Australia, legislation in New South Wales requires employers to tell employees if they are under any kind of surveillance. However, the law does not regulate the level or type of spying, it just says that employees must be told about it. Electronic surveillance of Australian workers is on the rise, according to Canberra-based internet research firm Caslon Analytics, but there are as yet no national laws that limit monitoring of employees' use of email and the internet.
The Source
__________________
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
How May I Help You?





PM me through this link if clicking on those banners doesn't help with your questions

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Woodmonkey is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Trackpads Information
Click to Visit
Old 09-28-2006, 18:35   #2 (permalink)
Junior Officer
 
BrianK's Avatar
My Awards Rack
Navy Service Button Bronze Community Medal 
Total Awards: 2
My Mood
Status
BrianK is offline
Post Count
3,153
My Photos
My Photos: 0
Member Flags
United States
My Referrals
My Referrals: 0
Personal Guestbook
Reputation +/-
BrianK has much to be proud ofBrianK has much to be proud ofBrianK has much to be proud ofBrianK has much to be proud ofBrianK has much to be proud ofBrianK has much to be proud ofBrianK has much to be proud ofBrianK has much to be proud ofBrianK has much to be proud ofBrianK has much to be proud ofBrianK has much to be proud of
Other Swag
T-Bucks: 7,013.41
Bank: 0.00
Total T-Bucks: 7,013.41
  

 
Default Re: Someone to watch over me - the boss

Probably just me being picky but both the the power plant worker & silicon valley worker that were fired had the same ending.

recalls Swigert. "I had perfect attendance for 13 years at the plant."


Joyce Park "My sacking was the most horrific thing. I had perfect attendance at the plant for 13 years"

An objection or lawsuit for being monitored at home during off hours I think is legitimate. Otherwise on company time using company equipment during work hours or during break has a cost factor for the company. I think it's theft for an employee to take from a company by non productive computer use.
__________________
"The only thing that makes life possible is permanent, intolerable uncertainty, not knowing what comes next."
Ursula K. Leguin
BrianK is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 09-28-2006, 18:46   #3 (permalink)
Enlisted
 
Harian's Avatar
My Awards Rack
Bronze Reputation  Medal Air Force Service Button 
Total Awards: 2
My Mood
Status
Harian is offline
Post Count
80
My Photos
My Photos: 0
Staff Title
EDIV RPG/Arcade Manager
Member Flags
United States us illinois
My Referrals
My Referrals: 6
Personal Guestbook
Reputation +/-
Harian has a spectacular aura aboutHarian has a spectacular aura aboutHarian has a spectacular aura aboutHarian has a spectacular aura aboutHarian has a spectacular aura aboutHarian has a spectacular aura aboutHarian has a spectacular aura aboutHarian has a spectacular aura aboutHarian has a spectacular aura aboutHarian has a spectacular aura aboutHarian has a spectacular aura about
Petz
Other Swag
T-Bucks: 298.00
Bank: 0.00
Total T-Bucks: 298.00
 

 
Default Re: Someone to watch over me - the boss

Hey the military monitors PC usage all the time we dont complain about it. Well at least at my base there is monitoring done.
__________________
I can imagine a perfect world with no war or pain. Then i see us attacking the poor bastards cause they would never see it coming.

On a scale from 1 to awesome... I'm super great.
Harian is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 09-28-2006, 19:58   #4 (permalink)
Icing Queen
 
conlor's Avatar
My Awards Rack
Silver Staff Service Medal Silver Reputation  Medal Gold Commanders Coin Silver Commanders Coin Silver Commanders Coin Army Service Button Silver Community Medal 1 Blue Star 
Total Awards: 9
My Mood
Status
conlor is offline
Post Count
23,971
My Photos
My Photos: 1
Staff Title
EDIV Trivia Coordinator
Member Flags
United States Undisclosed
My Referrals
My Referrals: 1
Personal Guestbook
Reputation +/-
conlor has a reputation beyond reputeconlor has a reputation beyond reputeconlor has a reputation beyond reputeconlor has a reputation beyond reputeconlor has a reputation beyond reputeconlor has a reputation beyond reputeconlor has a reputation beyond reputeconlor has a reputation beyond reputeconlor has a reputation beyond reputeconlor has a reputation beyond reputeconlor has a reputation beyond repute
Other Swag
T-Bucks: 181,640.92
Bank: 47,355.63
Total T-Bucks: 228,996.55
     
     
 

 
Default Re: Someone to watch over me - the boss

Ours are monitored at work too.
__________________
Your memory is our keepsake, With which we'll never part. God has you in his keeping, We have you in our hearts.

~2004 winner of The Outreach Award
~2005 co-winner of The Bronze Button Award
~March 2006 Perv of the Month
~Sept 2006, Oct 2007 - MOTM
~2007 Oct-Dec MOTQ
~2007 Female Silver Raincoat Recipient
~2007 MOTY
conlor is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 09-28-2006, 19:59   #5 (permalink)
Monkey Mouse
 
Woodmonkey's Avatar
My Awards Rack
Gold Staff Service Medal Gold Reputation Medal Bronze Referrals Medal Bronze Magazine Medal Silver Gallery Medal Gold Donations Award Silver Donations Award 2 Blue Star 
Total Awards: 12
My Mood
My Mood:
Status
Woodmonkey is offline
Post Count
58,226
My Photos
My Photos: 108
Staff Title
Trackpads XO
Member Flags
United States us connecticut
My Referrals
My Referrals: 15
Personal Guestbook
Reputation +/-
Woodmonkey has a reputation beyond reputeWoodmonkey has a reputation beyond reputeWoodmonkey has a reputation beyond reputeWoodmonkey has a reputation beyond reputeWoodmonkey has a reputation beyond reputeWoodmonkey has a reputation beyond reputeWoodmonkey has a reputation beyond reputeWoodmonkey has a reputation beyond reputeWoodmonkey has a reputation beyond reputeWoodmonkey has a reputation beyond reputeWoodmonkey has a reputation beyond repute
Petz
Other Swag
T-Bucks: 88,711.18
Bank: 1,341,109.03
Total T-Bucks: 1,429,820.21
     
     
     

 
Default Re: Someone to watch over me - the boss

I don't have a problem with a company monitoring what is done on its equipment and on its time. I do have a problem with them monitoring what off-duty employees do on their own time and their own equipment.
__________________
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
How May I Help You?





PM me through this link if clicking on those banners doesn't help with your questions

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Woodmonkey is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
I'm The Boss! conlor Humor 1 01-25-2007 20:53
Boss conlor Humor 0 12-03-2006 16:40
It's always best to be boss! Shooterman Humor 2 05-10-2006 19:50
The Boss JudyLynne Humor 1 04-12-2006 21:12
Dinner with the Boss Snowden Humor 2 11-27-2004 17:22


Community Information
Options
Quick Options
Trackpads Non-Commercial Ad
Copyright Information Click to Visit
Time
Server Time
All times are GMT -4. The time now is 09:12.
Copyright
Copyright Information
The header is based off of work by Vipixel.com and modified by this site. Trackpads and the Trackpads Logo are both Registered Trademarks of Jason Edwards and cannot be used without prior written permission.  The only exception is as a link back to this site. Trackpads is a private website run by a small legion of volunteers, 3 dogs, 12.5 cats and an army of small, super smart, bio-engineered mice with pointy hats and tutu's. Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.2.0 RC7
Archive Links
Archive Links
Page generated in 0.73959 seconds with 25 queries