GM is still the undisputed Champion

This article will show toyota who is the real champion.
http://www.autooninfo.info/NAEd200410IsGMKingofJunk.htm

mark575757@mailcity.com wrote:
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> This article will show toyota who is the real champion.
> http://www.autooninfo.info/NAEd200410IsGMKingofJunk.htm

Interesting article but I find the low numbers for Mitsu, Isuzu,
Hyundai, Volkswagen and several others hard to believe.

A very interesting web page, populated almost entirely by advertising and
personal opinion without ever quoting a source for their information or the
data they use to put together their graphs and charts. Whomever runs it
seems to have a very big stake in Amazon.com as well. Altogether, nothing
more than the ramblings of someone who doesn't like American autos in
general and GM in particular trying to masquerade his or her prejudices as
fact - and trying to lead readers down the garden path of "if it's on the
internet it must be true".

We should all stick with reputable sources who can back up their data and
not pseudo-statistical garbage which is nothing more than personal opinion
and bias.

--
Jonathan A. Race
Lieutenant, EMS Supervisor
Orange County (FL) Fire Rescue Department

(This message may contain personal opinions and/or information not related
to my employment or employer)
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> This article will show toyota who is the real champion.
> http://www.autooninfo.info/NAEd200410IsGMKingofJunk.htm
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"stuart8181" <stuart8181@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> GM is still the engineering leader of the auto world. Not even close with
> all the other contenders....

You mean like the leaky intake gaskets of the past ten years that seem to
affect more engine sizes every year ? With no fix in sight yet ?

Or do you mean the knocking engines that they have no fix for but still
seem to be producing ?

GM is still the engineering leader of the auto world. Not even close with
all the other contenders....
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> This article will show toyota who is the real champion.
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"UserName" <nospam@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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> "stuart8181" <stuart8181@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:spGdnTaJH45hoFLcRVn-ow@adelphia.com...
>> GM is still the engineering leader of the auto world. Not even
> close with all the other contenders....
>
> You mean like the leaky intake gaskets of the past ten
> years that seem to affect more engine sizes every year ?
> With no fix in sight yet ?

I thought they "engineered" a new version of the
gaskets. Are they still a problem?

> Or do you mean the knocking engines that they have
> no fix for but still seem to be producing ?

Are you referring to "piston slap"? Yes, I agree...that should have been
addressed long ago! Just about ever GM vehicle on my street makes that
knocking noise at first morning startup this time of year. Many are loud
enough for me to hear inside my masonry home! None of the other brands do
this. Sad indeed! Plus GM seems to have hung on to pushrod engines longer
than just about everyone else that migrated to DHOC engines as standard
lineups years ago. So, they seemed late to the game there (they seem to be
coming on stronger now, but DOHC is usually a pricey option). Although, I
like pushrod engines. Regardless, the perception is that they're behind the
competition, not in the forefront (real perception or not).

Some of GM's most recent engineering achievements are not particularly
noteworthy in my view. DRL's (a waste of energy and likely a public outcry
nightmare for them). Constant annoying "chimes" for just about everything,
including locking the doors and when you forget to wipe your butt. "Auto"
speed sensitive radio volume control (if the cars were as quiet as the
competitors, this wouldn't be needed). Control systems that totally or
partly removes control of important functions from the driver (where the law
clearly says it belongs). GM is trying to "bell and whistle" us to death
like Chrysler tried to do back in the '80's (and it didn't work then
either).

And the engine that builds up oil sludge that ruins the
engine...oops that Toyota..


mike hunt



UserName wrote:
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> "stuart8181" <stuart8181@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:spGdnTaJH45hoFLcRVn-ow@adelphia.com...
> > GM is still the engineering leader of the auto world. Not even close with
> > all the other contenders....
>
> You mean like the leaky intake gaskets of the past ten years that seem to
> affect more engine sizes every year ? With no fix in sight yet ?
>
> Or do you mean the knocking engines that they have no fix for but still
> seem to be producing ?