Stewart/Jr deal

For those of you quick to blame Jr for Stewart's demise you're sadly
mistaken. Don't know if the TV guys picked up on this but it was clear to
those of us in the stands that this is what happened.

The simple fact is the sun went behind the clouds and the track cooled down
just enough to tighten up Stewart's car. IIRC, he had already dropped off
to something like 6th when Jr bumped him and he had been there for a while.

It's interesting how when the sun was out Stewart was dominant and Jr sucked
but when the sun was in Stewart sucked and Jr was dominant. I'll be the
NASCAR Jr conspiracy theorists can come up with something to explain this
phenomena.

--

Rob
Q: "What did the redneck say right before he died?"
A: "Hey ya'all watch this!!"

"M&B" <villagenuts@superlightspeednet30303.net> wrote in message
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>
> "SimRacer" <nospam@simracer68@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> > "M&B" <villagenuts@superlightspeednet30303.net> wrote in message
> > news:fvG5c.33557$H44.614644@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> > >
> > > "SimRacer" <nospam@simracer68@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > news:WkG5c.103484$eL2.5303028@twister.southeast.rr .com...
> > > > "Shock" <no@waydude.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:105eca4qr9eri1b@corp.supernews.com...
> > > > > Thats what I heard, but he was right, Tony was already falling way
> off
> > > in
> > > > > position and on the speed charts.
> > > > >
> > > > > Shock
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > That's true, but even so, the spotter(s) should have made sure
Junior
> > got
> > > > around the 20 a little more cleanly. These guys are supposed to be
> pros
> > > > afterall. :-) Thank goodness it was just a rub or else it would've
> been
> > > bad
> > > > news for both cars, and possibly some fellas behind them as well.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > a spotter can't see every square inch of the track. the use of
spotters
> > has
> > > gone from being a convience to being a crutch.
> > >
> > >
> > > mike........
> > >
> >
> > While there is truth in what you say, you have to take a walk in the
> > driver's shoes a little too. The closed face helmets and cocoon seats
now
> > pretty much envelope the driver and restrict his/her view pretty darn
good
> > nowadays. So while I agree they have migrated from a convenience, but to
> > more than just a crutch, more like a necessity.
> >
> >
>
> yes i down played it a bit, but it seems like everyone likes to zero in on
> someone to choke if another car even comes close to another. another set
of
> eyes is good, but did you ever try looking thru a set of binocs. for 10
min.
> straight, let alone a whole race. ones eyes can get real tired, real
fast.
> just like the drivers, thesee spotters are human too.
>
>
>
> mike..........
>

I agree, they're human (depth perception at a distance and tired, bino eyes
being admitted issues). But now they're such an integral part of the racing,
that their mistakes are becoming more and more amplified it seems.

"Moses Brown" <soulphishjenkins@yahoohooitehoo.com> wrote in message
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> Shock wrote:
>
> > "Moses Brown" <soulphishjenkins@yahoohooitehoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:105ed35gpg3d52f@corp.supernews.com...
> >
> >>SimRacer wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>"Shock" <no@waydude.com> wrote in message
> >>>news:105eca4qr9eri1b@corp.supernews.com...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Thats what I heard, but he was right, Tony was already falling way off
> >
> > in
> >
> >>>>position and on the speed charts.
> >>>>
> >>>>Shock
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>That's true, but even so, the spotter(s) should have made sure Junior
> >
> > got
> >
> >>>around the 20 a little more cleanly. These guys are supposed to be pros
> >>>afterall. :-) Thank goodness it was just a rub or else it would've been
> >
> > bad
> >
> >>>news for both cars, and possibly some fellas behind them as well.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>Amazing how he "happens" to come down/go up on cars that are fast. Did
> >>it at Daytona to Busch...this week to Stewart. He seriously needs a new
> >>spotter.
> >>
> >>--
> >>NP:
> >>
> >>veritas~*~aequitas
> >>
> >>"I'm tired of following my dreams. I am just going to ask where they are
> >>going and hook up with them later."
> >>~Mitch Hedberg~
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > I don't know the guy, but I think he needs some time to get used to Jr
and
> > Jr needs some time to get used to him.
> >
> > Shock
> >
> >
>
> Good god, how long to you have to "get used" to someone in order to
> understand the difference between clear and not clear. Jesus.
>
>

LOL! While I balk at the tone of your posts most days, this one is pretty
funny and spot on IMO. Junior apparently hired a friend and ex-racer (name
escapes me at the moment) to replace Ty, and even said during Speedweeks
that the guy had spotted for him before, prior to this season, a couple of
times.

It could have just been a place on the track where the spotters didn't have
a good enough view to actually tell if they were that close (depth
perception at a distance, through binocs especially, can be tough at times).
It happens. I'm just glad that they managed to keep both cars from getting
wadded up.

"Robert R Kircher, Jr." <rrkircher@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Pence234 wrote:
> >> It's interesting how when the sun was out Stewart was dominant and
> >> Jr sucked but when the sun was in Stewart sucked and Jr was
> >> dominant. I'll be the NASCAR Jr conspiracy theorists can come up
> >> with something to explain this phenomena.
> >
> > No...obviously Stewart's problems are still being caused by the very
> > dangerous and powerful John Andretti.
> >
> > I expected to see Stewart on TV morning and night, complaining that
> > John had made Jr. bump him.
> >
> > Grandma P.
>
> Grandma... Time to let that go. ;-)
>
> Very funny however.
>
>

Hey, I feel her pain. I don't do it, but I feel like posting here (and
other, BBS type forums) "I told ya so" posts anytime Junior manages to eek
out a win on a non-plate track. Us NASCAR fans apparently can hold a pretty
good grudge...personally, I'm with Grandma P, I'd like to see the 1 up and
running so they can spread out their tests over more than just 14
tracks/dates between the 8 and 15. If we could get JA back full time, his
team could contribute 7 more Cup-track tests to the camp and NASCAR wouldn't
have to come down on them like they did Evernham for having a 3rd *test* car
last season or season before. IIRC, NASCAR *made* them enter that car in
several events (BY400 was one IIRC) to justify their testing campaign with
it. Cost control is the sharpest of the double edged swords in the sport
IMO.

"Moses Brown" <soulphishjenkins@yahoohooitehoo.com> wrote:
> SimRacer wrote:
>
> > "Shock" <no@waydude.com> wrote in message
> > news:105eca4qr9eri1b@corp.supernews.com...
> >
> >>Thats what I heard, but he was right, Tony was already falling way off
in
> >>position and on the speed charts.
> >>
> >>Shock
> >>
> >
> >
> > That's true, but even so, the spotter(s) should have made sure Junior
got
> > around the 20 a little more cleanly. These guys are supposed to be pros
> > afterall. :-) Thank goodness it was just a rub or else it would've been
bad
> > news for both cars, and possibly some fellas behind them as well.
> >
> >
>
> Amazing how he "happens" to come down/go up on cars that are fast. Did
> it at Daytona to Busch...this week to Stewart. He seriously needs a new
> spotter.

In both cases Jr claims to not even know that he made contact with another
car.

"SimRacer" <nospam@simracer68@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> <SAPguru@nhra.nospam.never> wrote in message
> news:RUG5c.25740$Hg5.15257@newssvr31.news.prodigy. com...
> > Robert R Kircher, Jr. wrote:
> > > Actually Mike, I could see a great deal of what the spotters can see
> > > from my seats and I was also monitoring the radios. I can tell you
> > > that the spotters are sometime optimistic when they call out CLEAR.
> >
> > And the track was so incredibly fast. They easily had to be doing 200
on
> > the back stretch.
> >
>
> Actually SAP, it was slower than years past IMO. I saw some mid 190s on
the
> tv telemetry during the race, that's about it. And historically speaking,
> the bent front stretch, is typically faster into T1 than the short
straight
> going into T3. I know in years past that during Q that T1 entry speeds
were
> 206-208mph and I didn't see that on Friday either, not even from The
Rocket,
> Ryan Newman. I think he hit like 202 into T1 on his fast lap (but his time
> was good since the tires appear to grab better in the corners this year).
> Race speeds got down pretty low and I saw some top ten cars only hitting
187
> into 3 and barely busting 190 into T1 in the middle of a tire run Sunday.
> Either the tire gives up, a lot, or the weather wasn't cooperating with
> their normal blistering pace this particular weekend. Dunno.
>
>


consider the source.

"Moses Brown" <soulphishjenkins@yahoohooitehoo.com> wrote in message
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> Shock wrote:
>
> > "Moses Brown" <soulphishjenkins@yahoohooitehoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:105ed35gpg3d52f@corp.supernews.com...
> >
> >>SimRacer wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>"Shock" <no@waydude.com> wrote in message
> >>>news:105eca4qr9eri1b@corp.supernews.com...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Thats what I heard, but he was right, Tony was already falling way off
> >
> > in
> >
> >>>>position and on the speed charts.
> >>>>
> >>>>Shock
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>That's true, but even so, the spotter(s) should have made sure Junior
> >
> > got
> >
> >>>around the 20 a little more cleanly. These guys are supposed to be pros
> >>>afterall. :-) Thank goodness it was just a rub or else it would've been
> >
> > bad
> >
> >>>news for both cars, and possibly some fellas behind them as well.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>Amazing how he "happens" to come down/go up on cars that are fast. Did
> >>it at Daytona to Busch...this week to Stewart. He seriously needs a new
> >>spotter.
> >>
> >>--
> >>NP:
> >>
> >>veritas~*~aequitas
> >>
> >>"I'm tired of following my dreams. I am just going to ask where they are
> >>going and hook up with them later."
> >>~Mitch Hedberg~
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > I don't know the guy, but I think he needs some time to get used to Jr
and
> > Jr needs some time to get used to him.
> >
> > Shock
> >
> >
>
> Good god, how long to you have to "get used" to someone in order to
> understand the difference between clear and not clear. Jesus.
>
> --
> NP:
>
> veritas~*~aequitas
>
> "I'm tired of following my dreams. I am just going to ask where they are
> going and hook up with them later."
> ~Mitch Hedberg~
>
>
>
>

Just trying to cut them some slack. They obviously aren't communicating
well. What it boils down to is one of them bucked up and nearly caused a
wreck.

Shock